If you know your JS Bach, I mean really know it. I mean really reeeeeeeeeeeeally

[49410enrique]

was kicking over rocks in my archives and found an old zip file i forgot to unpack and i don't remember where, or when i got it.  

I went ahead and converted the images to jpg then to pdf then merged them.

to my understandng the siloti transcriptions are PD as he passed away in 1945.

I want to relabel the file so I know what the work is (i.e. from what Bach work is this a transcription of).

If you can take a look and can help that'd be great great. either a name or a BWV # , etc. would be super!

[j_menz]

I don't think it's a straightforward transcription. I believe it's the Cmaj Prelude from WTC Book 1 somewhat rejigged.

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Pretty sure it's the 10th Prelude (E minor) from the WTC Book I

Best regards,
Musikalischer Wirbelwind

[49410enrique]

thanks for looking so far. i am having trouble finding confirmation that he did this kind of treatment to Bach works already written for the keyboard/piano.  that is my other Siloti transcriptions for for piano solo of non piano works so if this is something from wtc, it would seem very odd to me indeed. but i won't rule it out.

i'll hold out a bit longer to see if someone very familiar with the cantatas, and other string works and choral music, etc. might recognize it.

ugh it's so frustrating, his compositional output (Bach) is so vast that it's hard to have had enough frequent exposures that some of the non piano stuff woudl be familar to me. so disapointed in myself, must listen to more Bach....

[49410enrique]

i have two versions of the same transcriptions. i'm trying to reconsile some missing music or a repeat or something, these two performances are longer than my scores indicate which is only serving to confuse me more
Gilels. Incredible.

super nice too. but look at this music desk three sheets!?

here's my other copy

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

It's certainly, like j_menz stated, not exactly a straigthforward transcription, but I'm still quite sure it's the E minor prelude from WTC B.1 I'm quite familiar with that prelude (been playing EVERYTHING from the WTC quite often of late but let's wait and see what other users say.

[j_menz]

Who'd a thunk. There's actually a whole article on Wikipedia devoted to your transcription:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_in_B_minor_(J._S._Bach,_arranged_Siloti)

Notwithstanding this, I still maintain there's a relationship to the Cmaj prelude, though it may be in reverse.

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Cheers, j_menz And there you go, it is the one I thought it was   well, sort of, since it was originally in the Klavierbüchlein for Wilhelm but well...^^

[49410enrique]

I was just reading way too much into it thinking it had to be a 'transcription/copy" of a non piano work adapted to the keybaord. thanks for setting me straight!

still it's very very pretty, i can't believe i've had it this whole time and never knew it

really again a most sincere thanks

[49410enrique]

am i just way tired and not seeing what's right in front of me. do ihave the same transcription? they're playing more aren't they?

EDIT-Dr. Wikipedia (he went to school with Dr. Google), saves the day. article states that these cats frequently took non written repeat.

"Siloti does not add a repeat of the entire work in the score, yet pianists, e.g. Emil Gilels, introduces a repeat in order to allow for a change of voicing where the melody in the left hand is emphasized. The chords in the left hand are arpeggiated; however according to Siloti's daughter Kyriena (to whom the work was dedicated ), he would omit the arpeggiation on the first pass and restore it on the repeat in order to heighten the effect of the left-hand melody. It has been performed by many pianists, most famously Emil Gilels."

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Heh, heh, any time, mate

Best!
Musikalischer Wirbelwind

[j_menz]

am i just way tired and not seeing what's right in front of me. do ihave the same transcription? they're playing more aren't they?

Check out the links at the bottom of the wiki page, you may have an abridged score.

[ajspiano]

I did, I just didn't put it in writing.

[49410enrique]

Check out the links at the bottom of the wiki page, you may have an abridged score.

i think that edition went ahead with an editorial addition of the repeat. super nice book. i want i want i want!

https://www.amazon.com/The-Alexander-Siloti-Collection/dp/0825847303/ref=reg_hu-rd_dp_img

[49410enrique]

I did, I just didn't put it in writing.

[j_menz]

i want i want i want!

I'm now getting. 

[j_menz]

Been reading up a little on Alexander Siloti. Truly fascinating. Soooo glad I'm getting this book now!  How is he not better known?