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Horowitz sucks.
Are you sick and tired of being utterly dependant on refering constantly to an uninteresting, nervous reck of pianist in order to feel at home in a musical community? WELL, REFER NO MORE! Now you can cast off your dependancy and infernal idolatry with the new, revolutionary "THERE ARE OTHER PIANISTS AROUND 2000!" This isn't just a device, it's a philosophy! Sue Normal started using it late last year. "It was INDREDIBLE! I found that, if i went into a record store, there were actuall cd's of...you know, OTHER pianists! I've never seen anything like it! And you know what else, they actually play the piano with some sort of musical tone!" You can do it to- it's not easy, but it's worth it, because once you break out of restrictive, outdated and dogmatic predispositions towards big name hyperstars, you'll actually HAVE THE ABILITY to realise that when real musicians play the piano, they make MUSIC, not a vain sound wall of egocentric masturbation parading in the form of an honest attempt at musical servitude. You will learn, with the aid of this new and astonishing device, that the longer you keep Horowitz in your vocabulary, the less relevant you will become to your state of existence at the moment. Be free from premature death and conquer the world of your own potentially but as yet severely crippled musical receptivity today!
Sure there are many other good pianists around today but traditions have changed and none of them play in the same way as the Horowitzs and Richters, they play perfectly well but in a way that is more familiar to us.In the future please post this crap somewhere else.
I don´t think Horowitz and Richter were in the same level.Horowitz since his youth was trying to impress people by doing inacceptable and exagerated performances. In the same way Lang lang does, but even worst. When fame was in his hands he began playing with a little more respect to the composer, but then he was not much extraordinary (to this point he had all the support of STEINWAY).Richter was a true pianist and musician. I don´t even dare to say a word about him.
Forgive me for being blunt, but that's absolute rubbish.koji (STSD)
Ok, if you say so, Horowitz and Richter deserve equal recognition.
so you don't like a certain pianist big deal. i hope you at least have some respect that they absolutely love the same thing you do and have chosen it for their career. they've obviously put a lot of effort into their playing, so if even if you don't like the way they play, then just respect that.
Are you saying Horowitz and Richter both deserve little recognition? Best Wishes,Philip Daniel
I think Richter was much better musician that Horowitz in all aspects. I thought it was pretty obvious to others too. I was wrong, then it´s just me.
I don't see how Richter was "a much better musician" than Horowitz. But if you feel that way, so be it.koji (STSD)
Anyone who has any right to criticize a great pianist would have to be someone at their level musically and technically.
Dubal: Was Rachmaninoff at the Tchaikovsky performance? Horowitz: Yes, but he was not happy. Dubal: Why? Horowitz: He said to me, " Your octaves are the fastest and loudest, but I must tell you, it was not musical. It was not necessary." So I explained to him why I did it, and he began laughing and laughing.
It´s ok. You´re a great pianist so you should know better than I.By the way if I start a thread would you give me some advice on memorizing and how do you do that?
Perhaps i should not have insulted Horowitz so much in my original post. For the record, i do not think he is bad. I think he is quite good in fact. My problem is that people never stop talking about him.It's not that i'm getting sick of Horowitz, it's simply that i'm getting sick of this apparent obsession with the musical community in assessing a pianist based only on the comparison between them and...you guessed it, Horowitz. Okay, he was good, he played scales really fast, could do astonishing things with octaves and played everything really loud, but such gymnastics do not mean you deserve to be THE pianistic yardstick for the rest of time. Comparisons are fine, but the Horowitz comparisons in particular have gotten to the point that to be considered good, one has to BE LIKE HOROWITZ. Even his supporters, on this very post, have told us that he was human and could make mistakes. This is my point- the man is as fallible as any human being, it does not make sense for us to say "Pianist X is not like Horowitz, therefore, he's bad."Read this interview with Horowitz:
Horowitz's recording of Liszt's 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody was dreadful.
Why am I reading this rubbish? Anyone who has any right to criticize a great pianist would have to be someone at their level musically and technically, which I'm sure are none of us at this forum.
Look, whether or not Horowitz was the greatest of all time is, of course, highly subjective and arguable (A british critic once came under heavy fire for giving the title of a Horowitz review :Greatest pianist alive or dead). What is unassailable, though, is that Horowitz was a unique figure; with his combination of temperment, articulation, and sonority (no pianist in my opinion had as much RANGE of sonority) you can hear one bar of his playing and immediately know it's him. Quite simply, there was never a pianist like him, and there never will BE one like him again. I think we should treasure all the amazing artists in our pianistic pantheon; to denigrate "Artist X" or limit oneself to "Artist Y" is pointless. My personal favorite pianist is William Kapell, but I seek out opportunities to hear recordings from all the golden age pianists (Friedman, Moiseiwitsch, Rachmaninoff, Hofmann, Levitsky, Hambourg, etc) and am fortunate enough to have a wonderful circle of friend who share my passion and share recordings of these legendary artists. As pianists, we have a wonderful, rich heritage to draw upon..we should really take advantage of it, instead of getting bogged down in these petty squabbles. Sorry for the lengthy post; end of sermon.koji (STSD)
Well said Koji.This post is ridiculous. And so are many of the replies to this thread. Why do these time consuming, pointless threads come up? And then they get tons of replies! Critiquing other pianists may be an entertaining affair, but ultimately, around here, it causes anger and tension in the forum and is just a waste of time. Just a question to people. Why insult Horowitz? What in the world could you possibly gain by coming here and saying that Horowitz just isn't your cup of tea? Ok, so he isn't. Great, but really... Who cares? He became a famous pianist for a reason. He had something that appealed to may listeners. If you are not one of them, then is that his fault for not plucking your strings, or yours for just not liking it at all. Nobody likes every pianist they've ever heard. Wake up people! Why are you arguing about this stuff! Nobody is going to change the way you interpret a performance. You see, we as listeners have jobs too. We interpret a performance. If we fail to do it correclty we miss out on the uniqueness of the performance and it does sound like garbage. Horowitz (for example) was special because he had something special about him. Every pianist needs to be respected for their ideas. Horowitz had many. As do all other famous and even more other less famous pianists. We need to show respect. And if Rodney Dangerfield were here he would lay down the line on respect. No more bashing of anyone. It is pointless and stupid and dumb and... stupid. OK. I'm done.
Which is why I've been posting very little, everything important on these boards is on the FAQ. To be frank, all else is bullshit.
Here is the real answer. Horowitz is the best. If you don't like him that's fine...but NO OTHER PIANIST can do what he does. No one. EVER. So don't be stupid.your inebriated friendRob
I don't think it's fair to say that one pianist is the best in any musical sense.
I think we should treasure all the amazing artists in our pianistic pantheon; to denigrate "Artist X" or limit oneself to "Artist Y" is pointless. My personal favorite pianist is William Kapell, but I seek out opportunities to hear recordings from all the golden age pianists (Friedman, Moiseiwitsch, Rachmaninoff, Hofmann, Levitsky, Hambourg, etc) and am fortunate enough to have a wonderful circle of friend who share my passion and share recordings of these legendary artists. As pianists, we have a wonderful, rich heritage to draw upon..we should really take advantage of it, instead of getting bogged down in these petty squabbles. Sorry for the lengthy post; end of sermon.
you'll be rotting in hell with the other musical failures that turned to bashing others instead of improving their own abilities.
Horowitz (for example) was special because he had something special about him. Every pianist needs to be respected for their ideas. Horowitz had many. As do all other famous and even more other less famous pianists. We need to show respect.
Cziffra, I was unaware that everyone compares all pianists to Horowitz. On this forum, the names Argerich, Cziffra, and Liszt (as a pianist) seemsto be much more discussed than Horowitz. Where is it that you only hear of Horowitz?
well I gotta hand it to you, but then maybe a few pieces perhaps martha a did SLIGHTLY better...like the Rach 3.
Topic: Remove Horowitz from your vocabulary! 