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Offline scherzo123

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Pieces that help build technique
on: August 31, 2012, 11:58:40 PM
Hi! Right now my technique needs A LOT of attention, so I was wondering in you guys have any suggestions on pieces that help build the following techniques:

Arpeggios
Scales
Bringing out the voices/melodies
Octaves
Repeated notes
Chords (mixture of thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, etc.)
Chromatic
Wrist movement
Trills
Grace notes
Glissandos

Yeah...I know it's a lot, but I really need to improve so I won't stress much with these techniques when I'm older. I'd prefer you guys suggest pieces by these composers:

Bach
Mozart
Beethoven
Chopin (PLEASE DON'T SUGGEST HIS ETUDES)
Liszt
Schumann
Brahms
Scriabin
Rachmaninoff
Prokofiev

Pieces that help the techniques that I listed from these composers will be very much appreciated. PLEASE DON'T LIST PIECES BY OTHER COMPOSERS THAN THE ONES THAT I HAVE LISTED, thanks ;D.
Bach Prelude and Fugue BWV848
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op.13
Chopin Etude Op.10 No.4
Chopin Scherzo Op.31
Mussorgsky "The Great Gate of Kiev" from Pictures at an Exhibition

Offline iansinclair

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 12:13:43 AM
I have no idea what level you are at...

All four of the Schubert Op.90 Impromptus.  Each one is different in terms of what it particularly brings out.

Any Bach WTC fugue particularly for voicing (try not only the usual piano approach of one voice a little louder than the others but also subtle differences in legato to bring out voicing without dynamics)

Chopin Nocturnes -- the first B minor and the op. 48 C sharp minor are terrific for left hand broken chords and wrist and arm, as well as voicing.  The B minor has a lovely B section with octaves, too.

Just some thoughts...
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Offline davidjosepha

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 12:34:45 AM
Hi! Right now my technique needs A LOT of attention, so I was wondering in you guys have any suggestions on pieces that help build the following techniques:

Arpeggios
Scales
Bringing out the voices/melodies
Octaves
Repeated notes
Chords (mixture of thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, etc.)
Chromatic
Wrist movement
Trills
Grace notes
Glissandos

Well, you listed just about every basic technical element of piano music, so I don't think you should have too much trouble finding something. Maybe just take one of your books and open to a random page?

As for a piece that really focuses on arpeggios or scales or something, you're probably going to have a bit of trouble finding anything that's not an etude that will work on each of these individually and thoroughly.

Rachmaninoff prelude no. 5 op. 23 has a lot of repeated chords of various sizes, brief portions with moving octaves, and the middle section takes a bit of work on voicing to make the inner melody really come out.

Offline danhuyle

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 12:57:37 AM
Pieces you like playing, then play easier pieces to develop technique.
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Offline perprocrastinate

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 01:01:03 AM
You could look into Liszt's Transcendental Etudes. Oh, and, uh..

Bringing out the voices/melodies

Bach

Offline scherzo123

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 02:50:41 AM
As for a piece that really focuses on arpeggios or scales or something, you're probably going to have a bit of trouble finding anything that's not an etude that will work on each of these individually and thoroughly.

Any pieces (only by the composers on the list) that helps scales and/or arpeggios in any way will be appreciated.
Bach Prelude and Fugue BWV848
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op.13
Chopin Etude Op.10 No.4
Chopin Scherzo Op.31
Mussorgsky "The Great Gate of Kiev" from Pictures at an Exhibition

Offline mikeowski

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 02:58:08 AM
From the pieces I've played, goldberg var 1 is great for arpeggios (I think.)

Offline davidjosepha

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 03:02:38 AM
only by the composers on the list

I'm curious, why?

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #9 on: September 01, 2012, 03:29:52 AM
Why don't you just make up your own exercises?  

Whenever I'm having difficulty in learning something, I just make up an exercise.
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Offline davidjosepha

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #10 on: September 01, 2012, 03:32:59 AM
Why don't you just make up your own exercises?  

Whenever I'm having difficulty in learning something, I just make up an exercise.

If only someone could make up an exercise for practicing scales and arpeggios...

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012, 03:58:34 AM
If only someone could make up an exercise for practicing scales and arpeggios...

Well just because you have perfect scales and arpeggios doesn't mean you have perfect technique.

You can still make up stuff.

Like for instance, if you're having difficulty with fingers crossing over, you can do the C major scale with just your 1st and 5th fingers. 
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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #12 on: September 01, 2012, 04:22:59 AM
Well just because you have perfect scales and arpeggios doesn't mean you have perfect technique.

You can still make up stuff.

Like for instance, if you're having difficulty with fingers crossing over, you can do the C major scale with just your 1st and 5th fingers. 

haha I know, I'm just messing around. I do things with scales too, especially one thing to help with my thumb crossing under my 4.

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 10:07:42 AM
Mozart for apeggios IMO in general. In fact that K333 has most of what you want in it, certainly some trills and voicing runs through out.. I notice you have worked on that, if you don't have it up to performance level then work some more on it as it has subtle voicing and dynamics going on. I'm not a huge fan of Lang Lang and his show expression but he does this well and I could find a video of him performing it.        
&feature=related              Get it up to a similar level i bet you find what you are looking for mostly in this one piece.

And Listen to Mitsuko's rendition of the first movement:    


Schumann is great for long arpeggios even in some level 6 or 7 pieces if you can find those.
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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #14 on: September 01, 2012, 12:00:12 PM

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #15 on: September 01, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
"What the world needs is more geniuses with humility. There are so few of us left" -- Oscar Levant

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #16 on: September 02, 2012, 12:48:22 AM
I'm curious, why?

Those are the standard composers, I guess. I want to learn some pieces composed by those composers before I get to the "less common" ones.


Thanks for the suggestions everybody!
Bach Prelude and Fugue BWV848
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op.13
Chopin Etude Op.10 No.4
Chopin Scherzo Op.31
Mussorgsky "The Great Gate of Kiev" from Pictures at an Exhibition

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #17 on: September 02, 2012, 01:16:31 AM
A new found fondness for Bobby?
lol maybe a little, i am starting to warm up to him, maybe it's a sign of maturity, or i'm getting old and senile. maybe it's a im getting old and senile. im getting old and maybe a little...

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 05:18:08 AM
lol maybe a little, i am starting to warm up to him, maybe it's a sign of maturity, or i'm getting old and senile. maybe it's a im getting old and senile. im getting old and maybe a little...

Haha, since bobby himself was a few raisins short of a fruitcake, that's probably a good start.
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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #19 on: September 03, 2012, 10:33:31 PM
Learn one of Prokofiev's Sarcasms. According to the pieces in your signature they should be your level and they are all great pieces!

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Re: Pieces that help build technique
Reply #20 on: September 03, 2012, 11:57:09 PM
I'm actually not a big fan of them...what about the Suggestion Diabolique Op.4 No.4?
Bach Prelude and Fugue BWV848
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op.13
Chopin Etude Op.10 No.4
Chopin Scherzo Op.31
Mussorgsky "The Great Gate of Kiev" from Pictures at an Exhibition
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