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Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
on: September 04, 2012, 05:30:18 PM
I'm working on some of Ginastera's Preludes from his 12 American Preludes.  I've started with the one I am posting here and I just love it.  Very short work, just about 1 minute.

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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 07:46:10 PM

miss m1469, this is quite nice. I've always liked Al, this is a decidedly different side of him vs the more performed louder in your face and highly rhymthmic  fare we usually hear. a beautifyl passing sorrowful thought, a rememberance maybe? keep us posted. it's coming along great already!

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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 02:14:32 AM
Thanks, Enrique :).  I like that photo, and I will be playing at least six of these preludes.  I listened to the 1st prelude today, trying to discern phrasing and it's not what I'm used to.  I think I've got the idea though.  I haven't explored Ginastera at all, so this is pretty fun!
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 08:11:05 AM
Minimalistic.  It reminds me of the first part of the prelude you composed.  Very nicely and cleanly played. :)
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 02:32:44 AM
Minimalistic.  It reminds me of the first part of the prelude you composed.  Very nicely and cleanly played. :)

Yeah.  That's interesting it reminds you of that prelude, I can see what you mean and I felt a particular connection with it in the tonal range it's in, especially in the LH.  Thanks for listening :).
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 03:51:36 AM
Hi m1469,

This miniature is a beautiful, haunting piece.  You play it very well--very expressive.

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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 10:54:02 PM
Hi m1469,

This miniature is a beautiful, haunting piece.  You play it very well--very expressive.

David

Thank you for listening and for your comments, David :).  I agree, it is such a haunting piece.  Often I would find it creeping up into my consciousness from my subconsciousness.  I like it when that happens, it makes me feel connected to the music :).  
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 03:04:56 AM
hello Myla .....

Never thought Ginastera had a gentle miniature with traces of sorrow or mournfulness ....  although his Danza de la Moza Donosa (2nd mvt) was also gentle but full of beautiful romance and not a miniature.  NICE ... THANKS!!

btw ... in your recent travel ... I was saddened by your observation that Beethoven's tomb was "neglected" (much fewer visited it) than that of Mozart's.  Does that tell us something?
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 03:09:09 AM
This set was one of the first things I ever played. That brings back memories of the joy of childhood, exploring the sounds. Very nice to hear you play this little piece!
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #9 on: September 12, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
I always think sparse textures in piano music represent some kind of solitude and lonliness -a mood of sad reflectction throughout -the final chord is really discoloured and complex -you played this very convincingly -it was the first time I heard it -but I couldn't imagine it being played differently -
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #10 on: September 15, 2012, 04:53:15 AM
Emil, thanks for listening and commenting!

btw ... in your recent travel ... I was saddened by your observation that Beethoven's tomb was "neglected" (much fewer visited it) than that of Mozart's.  Does that tell us something?

No, his tomb was not "neglected," although Mozart's was literally front and center while Beethoven's was a bit behind and to the side.  It was his winter apartment, in town, which I visited where it seemed nobody ever, ever went and there was not anything even remotely fancy about it (and hardly even artistic about the displays, etc.)!  There was absolutely *nobody* else there when I visited, except the two workers, and while I wanted to meditate on my time there, the two workers and I were unfortunately extremely aware of each other the entire time, including the lady basically following me everywhere I went  >:(.  AND, nobody in the world knew where it was - I had an extremely tricky time finding it (I think it took me over an hour, maybe even a couple, and I asked several local people who worked very near it) and in reality it wasn't actually very difficult to find, as strange as that may sound.  In the photo below, that is Mozart's tomb in the front/center, Beethoven's to the left, and Schubert's to the right.  I clearly remember being there ... I think Beethoven's was just as visited, just not *quite* as celebrated as Mozart's, I guess.



I always think sparse textures in piano music represent some kind of solitude and lonliness -a mood of sad reflectction throughout -the final chord is really discoloured and complex -you played this very convincingly -it was the first time I heard it -but I couldn't imagine it being played differently -

Yes, I know what you mean regarding sparse textures.  I appreciate you listening and your comments :).


This set was one of the first things I ever played. That brings back memories of the joy of childhood, exploring the sounds. Very nice to hear you play this little piece!

Thank you, Dave, and thanks for listening.  Your thoughts got me thinking of it/them a bit differently, in a good way.
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #11 on: September 15, 2012, 07:46:42 AM
Wow, I had no idea Mozart's, Beethoven's, and Schubert's graves were together.
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Re: Ginastera - Op. 12 no. 2, Triste
Reply #12 on: September 15, 2012, 02:50:19 PM
Yeah, I hadn't known, either!  There were many others, of course, too, but these three make this certain entrance.  There are rows on the further left and further right, as well behind (and then lots and lots behind those), which just aren't shown.  
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