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Spatula

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Umm...

what is the full italian term for PP?

I know P is piano for soft and PPP is pianopissimo, but what is FF as well?

F = Forte

FFF = fortetissimo? OMH i want to blush ( I don't even know how to say this and I'm doing my grade 10 oh I feel sad  :-[ :-[ :-[ )

Offline glBelgedin

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I think it is as follows...


P = piano
PP = Pianissimo
PPP = Pianississimo

F = Forte
FF = Fortissimo
FFF = Fortississimo

Offline janice

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Yeah, that's the way I pronounce these.
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Spatula

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And how do you pronounce the word "suite"?

Is it Suit? or Sweet? etc?  ???

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I'm pretty sure it is "Sweet"

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It's sweet, I know that for sure.  It's the same as how we use the word "suite" when referring to an area of a house or office or dorm. 
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Suite comes from a composition with several movements that follow each other.

I have to believe it comes from the french and if that is the case it is not pronounced sweet at al, but s-u-i-t. where every letter is really pronounced.

The English would not be able the say the u properly and I can't think of a good example right now.
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Do you pronounce Scherzo like with "SK" or "SH"? My old teacher used to say skerzo.

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Do you pronounce Scherzo like with "SK" or "SH"? My old teacher used to say skerzo.

I used to say "Sher so" and then my teacher repeated corrected me into "Skertso"  Dictionary.com agrees with the second pronunciation so I was wrong too.
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Do you pronounce Scherzo like with "SK" or "SH"? My old teacher used to say skerzo.
I tend to say "scared so".  say it fast and no one will correct you.  They wont be able to tell a D from a T.

By the way, is accelerando pronounced "ek - chell - erando" or "ek - cell - erando".  I believe it's the latter, but correct me if Im wrong..

donjuan

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OH acciacatura (is that how you spell it?)

my old piano teacher told me to pronounce it 'a-chuck-a-tura' but i was never fully sure if that was right
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By the way, is accelerando pronounced "ek - chell - erando" or "ek - cell - erando".  I believe it's the latter, but correct me if Im wrong..

donjuan

I've heard it said the latter way, but I think the proper pronunciation would be "ah - chell - erando".

Something I've been wondering: what is the real definition of rubato?  What's the proper way to use it?

Offline DarkWind

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How do we know when to let go of the soft pedal if the composer never marks it down? Some pieces, it justs says una corda, but never tell you to let go.

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By the way, is accelerando pronounced "ek - chell - erando" or "ek - cell - erando".  I believe it's the latter, but correct me if Im wrong..

donjuan

I've heard it said the latter way, but I think the proper pronunciation would be "ah - chell - erando".

Something I've been wondering: what is the real definition of rubato?  What's the proper way to use it?
the latter approx. (Ah-chel-lah-RAHN-doe)
See and hear at:
https://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/texta/Accelerando.html

not so far off eggshells.
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How do we know when to let go of the soft pedal if the composer never marks it down? Some pieces, it justs says una corda, but never tell you to let go.
What pieces?  It should usually have a tre corda for the let-up; maybe just when it goes to a forte.

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Something I've been wondering: what is the real definition of rubato?  What's the proper way to use it?
Basically used at the performer's discretion (unless it is a strict tempo piece like baroque or classical), rubato is just variance in tempo used for expression.

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my old piano teacher told me to pronounce it 'a-chuck-a-tura' but i was never fully sure if that was right
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Yeh, it is.
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Offline donjuan

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By the way, is accelerando pronounced "ek - chell - erando" or "ek - cell - erando".  I believe it's the latter, but correct me if Im wrong..

donjuan

I've heard it said the latter way, but I think the proper pronunciation would be "ah - chell - erando".

Something I've been wondering: what is the real definition of rubato?  What's the proper way to use it?
the latter approx. (Ah-chel-lah-RAHN-doe)
See and hear at:
https://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/texta/Accelerando.html

not so far off eggshells.
haha, that website is so funny- I love the guys voice!
I especially enjoy hearing him say "fortissississimo"! haha

Offline Tash

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OH acciacatura (is that how you spell it?)

my old piano teacher told me to pronounce it 'a-chuck-a-tura' but i was never fully sure if that was right

btw i was asking how it's rightly pronounced if i failed to make that clear ;)
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https://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textf/Fortissississimo.html

Hey Wait a minute, How come...

Fortississimo -The guy pronounces the EES sound twice right?  But Here (The link)

In the word Fortissississimo The guys uses the EES sound Four times, instead of three? Am I retarded, is that just the right way to pronounce it, or is it an error?  :-\
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Spatula

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Do you pronounce Scherzo like with "SK" or "SH"? My old teacher used to say skerzo.
I tend to say "scared so".  say it fast and no one will correct you.  They wont be able to tell a D from a T.

By the way, is accelerando pronounced "ek - chell - erando" or "ek - cell - erando".  I believe it's the latter, but correct me if Im wrong..

donjuan

Yeah me too, I heard how to say it while listening to the comentator on CBC Radio Two

Spatula

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https://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textf/Fagot.html

heheheee... Sorry I couldn't resist.....  :-X  :-X

Holy crap is that Arnold Swarzenneger?  LOL !  ;D

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This one seems a bit far too me. I've never heard of it. https://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textp/Pianissississississimo.html
haha that one's pretty funny!  It sounds like a broken record or a cd with a skip in it!! ;D
https://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textf/Fagot.html

heheheee... Sorry I couldn't resist..... :-X :-X
heehee! I have to send that to a friend!  The funniest occurences are those not meant to be funny!
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Yeah! It's not nice to call people bassoons!

Offline DarkWind

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How do we know when to let go of the soft pedal if the composer never marks it down? Some pieces, it justs says una corda, but never tell you to let go.
What pieces?  It should usually have a tre corda for the let-up; maybe just when it goes to a forte.

It never says tre corde. Also, I'm trying to practice Ondine, in some parts, it says 2ped. Does that mean use sustain and soft pedal?

Offline Nightscape

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I think that 2 ped. means to use the soft pedal and the damper pedal at the same time.

As far as using the soft pedal.... I think that is most up to the performer's discretion, like the damper pedal.  There are places where the compose specifically wants you to use a certain pedal, but you must always take into account the piano you are playing on, and the resonance of the area you are playing in.  In the end, it is your ears that really decide what you do with the pedals.  In the case of Ondine, I tend to use the soft pedal most of the time anyway....  I think in Le Gibet, Ravel specifically says to use the soft pedal for the entire piece.
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