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Offline drazh

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pedaling for fur elise
on: October 19, 2012, 09:45:54 AM
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I'm working on fur Elise C. section .there is no ped mark on my musicsheet .but I think it's wrong . I found another music sheet which has ped mark at the beginning of each bar .I heard pedal change should be done with chord change .any suggestions?
Excuse me if fur Elise is boring for many people here
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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
The pedal markings in many sheets I have make little sense. I have found it better to use my ears and my teacher tends to agree with my choices.

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
The pedal markings in many sheets I have make little sense. I have found it better to use my ears and my teacher tends to agree with my choices.
Thank you but where do you change pedal?

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 08:37:55 PM
Thank you but where do you change pedal?

Where it sounds good... Sorry if I was unclear, I have not played this particular piece and have no wish to, but in general you should be able to figure out the pedalling by listening. Often you have to do that between chords to avoid dissonance.

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #4 on: October 20, 2012, 06:03:46 AM
so pedal change without dissonant is not necessary?
eg: chords like this :  I tonic - I 1st inversion - 2nd i nversion
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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #5 on: October 20, 2012, 06:25:22 AM
so pedal change without dissonant is not necessary?
eg: chords like this :  I tonic - I 1st inversion - 2nd i nversion
thank you

That I guess is a stylistic desicion. The longer you keep the pedal down the more overtones keep accumulating affecting the overall sound.

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #6 on: October 20, 2012, 09:53:14 AM
so pedal change without dissonant is not necessary?
eg: chords like this :  I tonic - I 1st inversion - 2nd i nversion
thank you

The key to Fur Elise is two fold. As mentioned pedal so as to not accumulate overtones, secondly it doesn't need a ton of pedal or deep pressing of the pedal I should say.  I remember doing a lot of pedaling in it but it was half pedal vs full depression of the pedal. It's a kind of constant half pumping or barely touching of the pedal and some sections need non. It may even have been incorrect for me to do it like that by tradition but a lot of people complimented me on my playing of Fur Elise so it couldn't have been too bad. My teacher on the other hand, as wonderful as she was, was a pedal snob, she did not like her students relying on pedal too much. It must be 25 years since I've played Fur Elise so forgive me if I don't quote exact sections.
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #7 on: October 20, 2012, 06:58:01 PM
hi
I found  that pedal ing with a digital  piano  is much easier than  accorustic because of less overtones

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #8 on: October 21, 2012, 03:50:52 PM
I generally pedal with chord changes for fur elise. But honestly you just have to listen to your own playing as you play and do what sounds best. It even varies with what type of piano youre playing on.

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #9 on: October 21, 2012, 04:26:26 PM
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hi
I found  that pedaling with a digital  piano  is much easier than  accorustic because of less overtones

That's fine, however also less authentic ! Have you considered a virtual grand piano program like Pianoteq to run your digital through ? The better ones have controls to work with sympathetic resonance. You could dial in something a bit more faithful, perhaps. Pianissimo is less expensive but not sure it offers that feature and the sound is a tad more canned it seems.

Oh well, off topic here to some degree ( it does have to do with pedal), just speculating.
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.

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Re: pedaling for fur elise
Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
I generally pedal with chord changes for fur elise. But honestly you just have to listen to your own playing as you play and do what sounds best. It even varies with what type of piano youre playing on.
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it seems difficult
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