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Offline gleeok

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Help figuring it out?
on: November 03, 2012, 11:23:28 PM
Well, since there is not sheet for that I'm trying to get it from ear... or look, whatever makes it work  ;D !



He plays Oborin's Canon in D and starts an "improvisation" if I can call it that way, after 2:26, I'm working on my own based on his but I'm not sure if I got the arpeggios (or progressions?) he plays standalone starting at 2:26. From what I got, he uses these throughout the whole piece after finishing Oborin's.

The first ones:

Re (D), Fa# (F#), La (A), Re (D)

La (A) , Do# (C#), Mi (E) , La (A)

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! it looks simple but I'm confused haha.

I guess I found out the "formula", but still, I'm not so sure about it. Any clarifications?

Also...Any tips on how to do ritenuto like he did? Mine always end up...sluggish

Offline nystul

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Re: Help figuring it out?
Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 03:31:07 PM
The arpeggios are pretty straightforward.  It is the same as the chords in the Oborin arrangement, just arranged into the left hand.

D = D F# A D
A = A C# E A
Bm = B D F# B
F#m = F# A C F#
G = G B D G
D = D F# A D
G = G B D G
A = A C# E A

The thing I don't like about these simplified piano reductions of Canon in D is... it's no longer a canon!  I don't fault Oborin for the choices made, because to play even close to the full canon on piano is rather difficult (e.g. the Liapunov arrangement).  But to me this loses the nuance of the piece and turns it into a pop song.  What makes it a canon is the three violins play the exact same thing, but each eight counts after the other.  That overlapping pattern is what creates the need for having the same "chord progression" every eight counts.  Meh, sorry for the rant.

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Re: Help figuring it out?
Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 12:29:24 AM
The arpeggios are pretty straightforward.  It is the same as the chords in the Oborin arrangement, just arranged into the left hand.

D = D F# A D
A = A C# E A
Bm = B D F# B
F#m = F# A C F#
G = G B D G
D = D F# A D
G = G B D G
A = A C# E A

The thing I don't like about these simplified piano reductions of Canon in D is... it's no longer a canon!  I don't fault Oborin for the choices made, because to play even close to the full canon on piano is rather difficult (e.g. the Liapunov arrangement).  But to me this loses the nuance of the piece and turns it into a pop song.  What makes it a canon is the three violins play the exact same thing, but each eight counts after the other.  That overlapping pattern is what creates the need for having the same "chord progression" every eight counts.  Meh, sorry for the rant.

yay! This means I got them right haha, I knew there was something...familiar, I just went all the ways BUT the one you mentioned, but thank you!

Yes I understand your position perfectly, and I sort of agree with it. But For now I'll stick to the simpler versions and get to the more difficult ones progressively, because my keyboard is small and I don't have the skill to play Lyapunov's anyways...

I'm in the hopes of getting an upright piano next year! I'll save for it, I'm so excited. Then I will go straight to Lyapunov's canon
 

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