hardest piano technique?

[urbanspice]

 Hey, guys. Well, I was sitting looking at my copy of Fantasie Impromptu (Chopin Op.66) and of course wishing I could write a piece as magnificent as that, when I got to thinking about what makes a piece memorable and somehow I got to the subject of technique. My question to you guys is what do you think the most difficult technique or aspect of technique is the most difficult to master, or what just makes you want to bash your head into the piano. 

[ollymuxworthy]

Try trills with fingers 4 & 5 whilst playing the melody elsewhere with thumb and fingers - (ahem... Campanella...) it's hard, but relatively sane once you can do it.

I could go as far as to say that you can put random notes up and down the piano, but that's not a recognised technique (as such), it's more about accuracy.

[gyzzzmo]

The hardest 'technique' is the technique you're worst at. With other words, all depends on the person.

[Petter]

I think this might be it

[ahinton]

I think this might be it

You may indeed be on to something here but I don't think you quite have it - had you tried practising this exercise with a Rubenstein grand, you'd probably understand why I say so...

Best,

Alistair

[Petter]

I think you´re right. Here´s a preformer giving it go. She seem to be managing quite well.

[pianowolfi]

Very fast repeated notes, to me so hard!

[mad_max2024]

Try this one...

[kard]

Very fast repeated notes, to me so hard!

I agree! especially in Scarlatti! 

[loonbohol]

The hardest trick is with your right hand playing trills on finger one and two and playing the melody elsewhere. and for the left is thet playing trills on finger 1 and 2 and playing the melody elsewhere

[xxmynameisjohnxx]

OCTAVE GLISSANDO'S

[loonbohol]

OCTAVE GLISSANDO'S

You are trying to make a trick that doesn't exist.

[gyzzzmo]

You are trying to make a trick that doesn't exist.

There are like thirds and septim glizzando's though (for example one of the paganini etudes), there might even be a octave glizzando somewhere hidden
But i agree, that xxmy probably doesnt have a clue what he's talking about :p

[ronde_des_sylphes]

The hardest trick is with your right hand playing trills on finger one and two and playing the melody elsewhere. and for the left is thet playing trills on finger 1 and 2 and playing the melody elsewhere

It's harder if the trill is with 4/5 and the melody elsewhere.

Some octave glissandi:

[db05]

Playing Satie with a straight face.
Bach with only one hand.
Chopin with no pedal.
Mozart with lots of pedal.

Seriously, I think the hardest technique is learning pieces you don't really like and performing them in public.

[tanman]

Some octave glissandi:

 
how do you do that??

[yuc4h]

hardest technique might be trilling in thirds.

[gyzzzmo]

how do you do that??

Octave glizzando's or the linking? :p

[xxmynameisjohnxx]

There are like thirds and septim glizzando's though (for example one of the paganini etudes), there might even be a octave glizzando somewhere hidden
But i agree, that xxmy probably doesnt have a clue what he's talking about :p

Are you kidding? Beethoven wrote with octave glissando's in one of his sonata's, I'm not remembering which one though.  Other composers have used them as well.  Apparently when beethoven was writing, the piano's were much easier to play because of their much lighter action and rounder edges on keys.  They are very real, try googling it.

[tanman]

Octave glizzando's or the linking? :p

the octave glissando's. 

[quantum]

To name a few octave glissandi works:

Beethoven Waldstein Sonata

Brahms Variations on a theme by Paganini

There was an octave glissandi thread a while back.

[healdie]

i also believe there are octave glissandi in Brahms 2nd Piano concerto

[pianisten1989]

I get really tired by tremolo... Fast octaves are also really hard to get well played, and not getting tired.
And polyrythmics, ofc..

And octave glis.

[opus10no2]

trilling 35 and 4

[gyzzzmo]

playing Rachmaninov's 2nd concert with your feet. Thats hard.

[pianisten1989]

playing Rachmaninov's 2nd concert with your feet. Thats hard.

While you're upside down, clapping YMCA and singing Yellow submarine, backwards...

[mad_max2024]

Playing Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto whilst escaping from a sack, three padlocks and a pair of handcuffs.

[gyzzzmo]

While you're upside down, clapping YMCA and singing Yellow submarine, backwards...

....while trying to kiss Merlyn Monroe who is sucking president Kennedy's ***** while bungyjumping?.....

[quantum]

playing Rachmaninov's 2nd concert with your feet. Thats hard.

This guy could probably do that:

https://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxyQktNFwc

[pianoplayjl]

repeated notes (really fast)
chord jumps
Trills
tremolos
alternating chords

These are just some stuff I find hard.

[pianoplayjl]

double notes
sixths
double octaves

[mike_lang]

Hey, guys. Well, I was sitting looking at my copy of Fantasie Impromptu (Chopin Op.66) and of course wishing I could write a piece as magnificent as that, when I got to thinking about what makes a piece memorable and somehow I got to the subject of technique. My question to you guys is what do you think the most difficult technique or aspect of technique is the most difficult to master, or what just makes you want to bash your head into the piano. 

Personally, I find rapidly repeated octaves and chords to be the most unpleasant and to have the longest gestation period.  Just out of curiosity, what connected the memorability of a piece and technique for you?

Mike

[pianoplayjl]

The rapid shifting chords I found really hard. I had to do slow practice. I had to full on hit hard the choords a few times before moving onto the next one.