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Offline Bob

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Tips for all white key pieces?
on: December 02, 2012, 03:21:37 AM
I'm not going to ingrain this piece.  Not worth it.

It's all white keys.  I'm having a tricky time getting my hands in the right position.  I need my eyes on the music too.

Any tips for jumps, etc. on an all white key piece?  Without repeating the piece until the hands have it.
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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 04:16:34 AM
Skim across the black keys when you have jumps.  Feel the location of the whites as they fit between the black keys. 

When you are playing chords and such, use your non active fingers to feel for the black keys. 

If it is an orchestral reduction or something of that sort, feel free to rearrange the music. 
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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 04:21:35 AM
Transpose it down a semitone. Problem solved.  ;D
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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 05:52:10 AM
Practice with your eyes closed.

But you said that you also need to be able to read the music as well.

So remember the music, then practice with your eyes closed.
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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 12:20:25 AM
play it on guitar.

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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 12:30:05 AM
The black key feeling was the only thing I could come up with.

Or... Play it slower and make sure the fingers are always going to the same keys so it's as ingrained as possible.  I'm just not going to hammere this thing into the fingers.  It's not worth the time.
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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 12:34:47 AM
I'm thinking of violin at the moment, where you don't even have a crack between keys to orient you.  When you shift from one position to another (not that different from moving to a different location on the keyboard) you memorize the feeling of the distance until you can get to the right note completely on pitch from pure memory.  "Seriously off pitch" is the matter of maybe a quarter inch.

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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 12:39:31 AM
The black key feeling was the only thing I could come up with.

This isnt a "this piece only" issue though is it? keyboard feel is a generalised skill that you need to develop over a lifetime..

for example, the more familiar you are with improv in a variety of styles and in Cmajor/Aminor the easier this would be..

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I'd also develop an aural perception of the piece..  if your ear tells you want note comes next rather than the page then you don't have to look at the page..  assuming you can memorise it aurally very quickly, and easily translate that to a piano.

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Re: Tips for all white key pieces?
Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
I'm not going to ingrain this piece.  Not worth it.

It's all white keys.  I'm having a tricky time getting my hands in the right position.  I need my eyes on the music too.

Any tips for jumps, etc. on an all white key piece?  Without repeating the piece until the hands have it.

I don't personally recommend feeling the black keys. If there's no direct reason to be feeling them within the demands of the piece, you're only making your path indirect and hence less reliable. It may help in the short term, but in the long run it's just an extra step that gets in the way.
 
Black keys are very useful when you go direct from one position to another that features them. They aid the sense of certainty- because if you end up in a different place then you can perceive that you didn't get where you wanted to, with ease. With white keys, you have to use your eyes for the same feedback, at first, to know if you judged it right. However, virtually any position shift should be done as single direct path of movement (not straight into playing the next key, but into preparing the required position, which should usually be felt before going on- except when you get extremely rapid leaps). Black keys are there to provide extra feedback about if you didn't get the movement spot on- not for you to slowly make adjustments from after having completely misjudged the position you should have found in one direct shift.

The best trick is quite simply to stay on the note before the position shift and make no movement away from it (I mean literally NONE- don't start to anticipate it by reaching even a little bit). Simply look at the note you are going to and imagine the path to get there- from where you started. What most people screw up is that they lose sight of where they are coming FROM and do a bit of the movement already- which makes the size of next movement inconsistent and unpredictable. You need to judge an exact distance between two consistent places. Then make a single movement from the arm without any adjustments, to get the finger straight over it. If you miss covering the right note, observe where you got to and try again until you are 100% direct. Try it very fast first- to be sure it's truly direct and then also try it slower and more steadily. Finally, try it with your eyes shut. Remember- NEVER play the note as part of the same movement! This destroys the sensory feedback and awareness that you need to develop. Always perceive the movement that takes you there first. If you don't get to the right place, it's no use playing anything or adding a correction movement. The path to security is to have a sense of certainty about where you have got to, before you then go on to play. When people miss notes on leaps, they are too concerned with trying to play straight off and have not spent enough time feeling their way around the precise distance of the transition. Always perceive where you think you are and then check if you really are there (sometimes with eyes closed  then opened to check) and only then play.
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