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Offline pbryld

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Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
on: December 11, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
So, I've just started practising this, but I can't get my head around how to execute the notes in the right hand in bar 8 (starting on the last beat in bar 7).

How should i play the descending notes (a, g, f, e)?

I tried 3-2-1-1, playing the d and octaved e with 5, but it seems that I can't do the 1-1 sufficiently fast.
Then I tried 2-1-2-1, but that doesn't seems to cut it either. Too awkward considering the speed.

Any other suggestions?  
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Offline j_menz

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Re: Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
3121 should be slightly less awkward than 2121 at speed.
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Re: Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 10:24:26 AM
3121 should be slightly less awkward than 2121 at speed.

Yes.

So there isn't some much better fingering that I just haven't been able to think of?
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Re: Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 11:13:08 PM
So there isn't some much better fingering that I just haven't been able to think of?

Not that I can see. You could try the 7 Octave Piano Ossia (not easier, but different), but really it's just a matter of starting slow and getting it up to speed with practice.
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Re: Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 08:57:49 PM
When I get home I will look at the passage, I can't tell you right now what fingering I use because I have no piano and it's too fast to remember exactly how you're playing it.

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Re: Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 05:49:01 AM
So, I've just started practising this, but I can't get my head around how to execute the notes in the right hand in bar 8 (starting on the last beat in bar 7).

How should i play the descending notes (a, g, f, e)?

I tried 3-2-1-1, playing the d and octaved e with 5, but it seems that I can't do the 1-1 sufficiently fast.
Then I tried 2-1-2-1, but that doesn't seems to cut it either. Too awkward considering the speed.

Any other suggestions?  

I've just analyzed the passage in question, and I will stick with 2-1-2-1.
The reason is actually quite simple - one has to observe what happens with a 3-1-2-1 fingering.
If the 3-1-2-1 fingering is taken, then one will be tempted to take up the 'g' with the 2 finger right after the 3. If you were to practice and avoid the 3-2 mistake on the a-g notes, then you will be left with a 1-1 "slide" on two white keys , f-e. That is just plain silly. The 2-1-2-1 fingering is essential also for a more 'legato' and even sound, while also connecting the f-e with 2-1 fingering and thus landing safely onto the e-octave at the 1st beat of bar 8.
The 2-1-2-1 fingering should be quite easy to execute after some slow practice and slowly accelerating the tempo. I don't see anything better for that passage at the moment.

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Re: Fingering in Liszt's 1st Transcendental Etude
Reply #6 on: December 16, 2012, 04:50:02 AM
I prefer 2-1-2-1.
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