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Offline cadenza14224

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« on: December 25, 2012, 06:20:39 PM »
Going through many posts in this forum, I find many postings (and posters) quite delusional.

Many people go around posting up claims of playing highly virtuosic repertoire, but when you go to the audition room forum, the same posters are never seen putting any sort of performance up there. And quite frankly, some claims sound so bombastic, that it's hard to differentiate from the real and the trolls.

For example, someone claims in one post that they learned (*insert crazy difficult concerto name here*), but in another post they are quite funnily asking "What the hardest piece in the world?" is. Can anyone be so oblivious to their own idiocy? Why the hell would a person working on an insane concerto be asking an amateurish question like that?

Quite frankly, what is the point of living ones fantasy's through a forum, and what the hell does one really gain from it? Sure the proper solution to this annoyance would be to ignore such people....but when aplenty are around (especially on places such has youtube), it's REALLY difficult not to hate on them.

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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 06:33:57 PM »
Yo I totally feel you there.
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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 06:51:45 PM »
@ cadenza14224

It's anonymous. It's also safer and a lot cheaper than seeing a psychiatrist in real life.

P.S.: It's Christmas time now. No time to hate. Just report to the moderators when it becomes unacceptable. Forgive them and just wait for the Saddest Day in Internet History when, exactly because of that kind of people, we will be required to give up our freedom and register with REAL data everywhere.

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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 07:03:33 PM »
Going through many posts in this forum, I find many postings (and posters) quite delusional.

Many people go around posting up claims of playing highly virtuosic repertoire, but when you go to the audition room forum, the same posters are never seen putting any sort of performance up there. And quite frankly, some claims sound so bombastic, that it's hard to differentiate from the real and the trolls.

For example, someone claims in one post that they learned (*insert crazy difficult concerto name here*), but in another post they are quite funnily asking "What the hardest piece in the world?" is. Can anyone be so oblivious to their own idiocy? Why the hell would a person working on an insane concerto be asking an amateurish question like that?

Quite frankly, what is the point of living ones fantasy's through a forum, and what the hell does one really gain from it? Sure the proper solution to this annoyance would be to ignore such people....but when aplenty are around (especially on places such has youtube), it's REALLY difficult not to hate on them.

I have a reason for why I don't post in the Audition Room. I simply don't have a suitable recording device. I broke the only camera I had that could record video, and I ordered recording equipment which was defective. I will be able to obtain one in April, however, so I'll probably post something then. Another reason is that I don't really like sharing my recordings. They always sound very strange and make my playing sound much worse than it is.  My philosophy is that if you want to hear me play, you have to do it live. But I am willing to post one thing after April. Maybe a Faure barcarolle or nocturne? You can hold me accountable for that. If I don't post it, feel free to insult and/or remind me.
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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 07:14:26 PM »
@vsrinivasa:
We know you are not to blame here, it was all my fault!

Since there are people on this forum who actuallly CAN play grazy difficult stuff, I think us mortals have two options to participate: Being honest about our (dis)abilities to play and accept our place in the lowest caste or try to fake our way into the PS elite... It's actually not that different to real life ;D

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«Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 07:24:08 PM »
@ vsrinivasa and outin

There are many legitimate reasons not to post anything in the Audition Room. Modesty is probably the best one. I don't think cadenza14224 would require that from just anyone. Besides, he/she was clearly not referring to either of you, so relax. ;)

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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 07:25:12 PM »
@vsrinivasa:
We know you are not to blame here, it was all my fault!

Since there are people on this forum who actuallly CAN play grazy difficult stuff, I think us mortals have two options to participate: Being honest about our (dis)abilities to play and accept our place in the lowest caste or try to fake our way into the PS elite... It's actually not that different to real life ;D

Well, it wasnt entirely your fault, it was mine for following your advice. I just don't want to be placed among these forum flaunters, as I am not one of them, I just have inadequate facilities to record. Another pianist promised to provide me with either a camera or recording device by April, so I will prove my abilities then. If I don't, please PM me or something with a reminder.

What do you mean when you say "us mortals"? If you play any instrument you are among the elite in our world, although not really on PS...
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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 07:26:46 PM »
@ vsrinivasa and outin

There are many legitimate reasons not to post anything in the Audition Room. Modesty is probably the best one. I don't think cadenza14224 would require that from just anyone. Besides, he/she was clearly not referring to either of you, so relax. ;)

Paul

That is yet another reason why I don't post in the audition room. There are many reasons why I feel uncomfortable doing so, not least because I have a certain degree of fright at people hearing me play....

It's irrational, I know.
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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 07:27:30 PM »
Well, it wasnt entirely your fault, it was mine for following your advice. I just don't want to be placed among these forum flaunters, as I am not one of them, I just have inadequate facilities to record. Another pianist promised to provide me with either a camera or recording device by April, so I will prove my abilities then. If I don't, please PM me or something with a reminder.

What do you mean when you say "us mortals"? If you play any instrument you are among the elite in our world, although not really on PS...

I don't think the OP directed this towards you.  He was talking about someone else.  I think we all know who it is.
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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #9 on: December 25, 2012, 07:49:59 PM »
I don't think the OP directed this towards you.  He was talking about someone else.  I think we all know who it is.

I think I know as well now, but I don't wish to be placed among the forum flaunters.
Beethoven: Sonatas Op. 53, 101
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«Reply #10 on: December 25, 2012, 08:17:05 PM »

What do you mean when you say "us mortals"?

Just an expression...

The "elite" on PS is also in general very kind and willing to give advice and answer silly questions (except for the REALLY idiotic ones that have no answer). So there's really no reason to fake, but for some people it's just important to feel important, even when there's little ground. Let those people have their moment, as Paul says it's better than loosing the freedom of being anonymous.

And I never got the impression that you'd be fake at all...

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«Reply #11 on: December 25, 2012, 08:36:37 PM »
IMO forums generally sometimes attract all sorts of idiots, not just flaunters.  I also think it becomes pretty obvious really quickly. 

There are all sorts of reasons that people may not post recordings of themselves.  I have as yet posted none, though that will shortly change with the PS competition. My excuse is that I had never had occasion to make a recording before, and had never really thought about doing so.

In the end, forumeers are valued for the quality of their contributions (in the many ways that that can be the case).  Anyone wishing to use this as a platform to merely flaunt their supposed genius is likely to be profoundly boring more than anything else.
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Re: Forum Flaunting
«Reply #12 on: December 25, 2012, 08:40:11 PM »
Just an expression...

The "elite" on PS is also in general very kind and willing to give advice and answer silly questions (except for the REALLY idiotic ones that have no answer). So there's really no reason to fake, but for some people it's just important to feel important, even when there's little ground. Let those people have their moment, as Paul says it's better than loosing the freedom of being anonymous.

And I never got the impression that you'd be fake at all...

The PS elite is very nice. I agree with you on that. However, I don't understand the forum-flaunting thing. Feeling important is good, but PS is also there for beginners who need advice.

Good, because I'm not fake, and hope nobody thinks so...
Beethoven: Sonatas Op. 53, 101
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«Reply #13 on: December 25, 2012, 08:47:17 PM »
IMO forums generally sometimes attract all sorts of idiots, not just flaunters.  I also think it becomes pretty obvious really quickly. 

There are all sorts of reasons that people may not post recordings of themselves.  I have as yet posted none, though that will shortly change with the PS competition. My excuse is that I had never had occasion to make a recording before, and had never really thought about doing so.

In the end, forumeers are valued for the quality of their contributions (in the many ways that that can be the case).  Anyone wishing to use this as a platform to merely flaunt their supposed genius is likely to be profoundly boring more than anything else.

Well said. I never got the impression that you were fake, especially due to your vast knowledge of the piano (or so it seems). There are other ways to contribute besides posting in the Audition Room, but it seems that's the best way to prove. The idiots you mention do become obvious very quickly, especially if they are asked for advice and can't give it because they don't know.

I HAVE had reasons to make recordings, but they all sound terrible and I don't feel comfortable uploading any of it. Another way I may seem fake is that I have asked many people for sheet music to their original compositions, but never got around to playing any of it. That is mostly because I have either not yet received the sheets or haven't had the time to put in the necessary practice.

So, I understand there are other ways to prove oneself, but it seems that OP thinks the main way is to post in the Audition Room. @OP: If this is not the case, do not be offended. I did not mean it in a bad way.
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«Reply #14 on: December 25, 2012, 09:03:05 PM »
I wish I could post a proper recording, but I never seem to be able to make a decent one that would pass the description on the audition room...

I do take videos occasionally to get some idea of how I sound (did some today actually), but I still get very tense when I know the camera is on. Also I usually don't get the pieces secure enough before moving on to make an errorless performance (it can take me months to properly memorize something and my reading is very unsecure) or when I occasionally do I am not in the mood to set the camera. But I have a few pieces that I keep alive and they are getting better memorized so maybe one day soon :)

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«Reply #15 on: December 25, 2012, 09:07:53 PM »
I wish I could post a proper recording, but I never seem to be able to make a decent one that would pass the description on the audition room...

I do take videos occasionally to get some idea of how I sound (did some today actually), but I still get very tense when I know the camera is on. Also I usually don't get the pieces secure enough before moving on to make an errorless performance (it can take me months to properly memorize something and my reading is very unsecure) or when I occasionally do I am not in the mood to set the camera. But I have a few pieces that I keep alive and they are getting better memorized so maybe one day soon :)

I know what you mean. I always tense up under the camera.
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«Reply #16 on: December 26, 2012, 01:58:44 AM »
To all,

Please do not feel like I am trying to patronize individuals on this forum! I have no intention of disheartening or making anyone feel discouraged! It is just something I have seen occur numerous times (not pianostreet exclusively) and was just interested in stating an opinion. I am extremely sorry if you felt individually attacked. My humblest apologies!


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«Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 03:31:13 AM »
Cadenza -- I, at least, don't feel attacked -- not at all.  And you pose an interesting point -- why do some of us post on the audition room, and others not?  There are several folks on here I would really love to hear play...

Of course, one needs to put forward one's own rather lame excuses!  Let's see... lack of decent recording equipment?  Not a bad start (somehow I don't think the built in camera and mike on my computer would be much of a help...).

But... the real bottom line for me is that I simply don't think I'm good enough to inflict myself on others.  I love what I play, and I play it well enough for me (and my family, thank goodness!) to enjoy, but to inflict it on others?  Ah... no.
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«Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 03:41:59 AM »
To all,

Please do not feel like I am trying to patronize individuals on this forum! I have no intention of disheartening or making anyone feel discouraged! It is just something I have seen occur numerous times (not pianostreet exclusively) and was just interested in stating an opinion. I am extremely sorry if you felt individually attacked. My humblest apologies!



I do not feel personally attacked. However, you said something about claiming to play extremely virtuosic repertoire, which I have done, and not posting in the Audition Room, in which I have not posted. So I felt I could be percieved as a forum flaunter and wanted to clarify.

I also feel like recordings do not capture the actual spirit of my playing. They often do not show full dynamics, clear sound, etc. which is one of my many reasons to not post in the Audition Room. You might see something pop up there in the future, though!
Beethoven: Sonatas Op. 53, 101
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Alkan: Festin d'Esope
Liszt: Apres une lecture de Dante, Paganini Etude 1

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«Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 03:49:32 AM »
I do not feel personally attacked. However, you said something about claiming to play extremely virtuosic repertoire, which I have done, and not posting in the Audition Room, in which I have not posted. So I felt I could be percieved as a forum flaunter and wanted to clarify.

I also feel like recordings do not capture the actual spirit of my playing. They often do not show full dynamics, clear sound, etc. which is one of my many reasons to not post in the Audition Room. You might see something pop up there in the future, though!

I only post in the audition room if I need some feedback.

Or if I absolutely NAILED a piece!  Like freaking transcendental level, better than Horowitz quality nailed.
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«Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 05:52:20 AM »
To all,

Please do not feel like I am trying to patronize individuals on this forum! I have no intention of disheartening or making anyone feel discouraged! It is just something I have seen occur numerous times (not pianostreet exclusively) and was just interested in stating an opinion. I am extremely sorry if you felt individually attacked. My humblest apologies!


I don't think any of us felt attacked, except maybe one who hasn't commented on this thread :)

This is just something I myself have thought about. I would really like some feedback from someone besides my teacher and since I hate the idea of performing live, this would be something to do...But there's really little point in asking feedback until you are fairly satisfied yourself...

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«Reply #21 on: December 27, 2012, 09:21:03 AM »
Umm... has this thread occurred before many times before in the history of PianoForum?  I think it has.  Deja vu! :o

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«Reply #22 on: December 27, 2012, 03:16:20 PM »
Umm... has this thread occurred before many times before in the history of PianoForum?  I think it has.  Deja vu! :o

I just saw another occurrence of a very similar thread. Though this one is the first one I saw.
Beethoven: Sonatas Op. 53, 101
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«Reply #23 on: December 27, 2012, 11:10:34 PM »
the real bottom line for me is that I simply don't think I'm good enough to inflict myself on others.  I love what I play, and I play it well enough for me (and my family, thank goodness!) to enjoy, but to inflict it on others?  Ah... no.

Personally, this is how I usually feel about performing.  Performance also triggers anxiety for me.  I play for the purpose of getting rid of stress, not gaining more.

In regards to the OP, I think there is also an aspect of specific skill sets.  As I probably constantly repeat due to my own depression over it, I have tiny hands.  There are several lvl 8+ pieces I can play that many people of my skill level might find excessively difficult, but I am unable to play a lvl 6 piece that has a stretch of a tenth.  I can't play them as is, and suck at rolling with musicality.  If there were a level 4 piece that incorporated that, I'd probably suck at it as well.  I'm sure many people are talented in one area while struggle in another, making the commentary sometimes hard to believe.
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«Reply #24 on: December 27, 2012, 11:20:56 PM »
  As I probably constantly repeat due to my own depression over it, I have tiny hands. 

So tiny that you can just reach a ninth, right?  >:(

Some of us should just forget about playing I guess... :'(

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«Reply #25 on: December 27, 2012, 11:31:47 PM »
So tiny that you can just reach a ninth, right?  >:(

Some of us should just forget about playing I guess... :'(

Just reach when holding my fingers apart with my other hand, never when playing  :'(

I quit. Until I buy a 7/8 size keyboard.
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«Reply #26 on: December 27, 2012, 11:56:37 PM »
Just reach when holding my fingers apart with my other hand, never when playing  :'(

I quit. Until I buy a 7/8 size keyboard.

Maybe I should get one too...so that I could finally play octaves the way they should be played...

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«Reply #27 on: December 28, 2012, 12:27:20 AM »
Even if someone posts a stunning recording, you have to wonder about that too.  People post doctored/fake recordings once in a while.

You can figure out who's legit after a while.  If not, it probably really doesn't matter.  There's always a danger of getting crappy advice on the internet.  Maybe less so on a forum if it's active and people will argue (Or you just end up getting several sides of an issue to confuse you).  Then again, the professional advice isn't always great either.
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«Reply #28 on: December 28, 2012, 12:57:14 AM »

In regards to the OP, I think there is also an aspect of specific skill sets.  As I probably constantly repeat due to my own depression over it, I have tiny hands.  There are several lvl 8+ pieces I can play that many people of my skill level might find excessively difficult, but I am unable to play a lvl 6 piece that has a stretch of a tenth.  I can't play them as is, and suck at rolling with musicality.  If there were a level 4 piece that incorporated that, I'd probably suck at it as well.  I'm sure many people are talented in one area while struggle in another, making the commentary sometimes hard to believe.

Such a piece does exist: Chopin's Prelude Op. 28 No. 7 in A Major. In the fifth bar from the end there is a chord which spans A#-C#-E-A#-C#. It hurts my hand to play it, and I can reach a twelfth. And PS grades it as level 4...
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«Reply #29 on: December 28, 2012, 01:27:08 AM »
Maybe I should get one too...so that I could finally play octaves the way they should be played...

Only $12,000 USD! Get 'em before they're gone!

Then again, the professional advice isn't always great either.

Music is art, which some people tend to forget (especially professionals, no offense meant to anyone).  Facts don't really exist in art, only opinions.

Such a piece does exist: Chopin's Prelude Op. 28 No. 7 in A Major. In the fifth bar from the end there is a chord which spans A#-C#-E-A#-C#. It hurts my hand to play it, and I can reach a twelfth. And PS grades it as level 4...

Yeah, that was one I thought of.  Although in most editions I've seen, the lowest A# is usually listed as optional.  Regardless, I'm going to go cry in a corner for a bit...
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«Reply #30 on: December 28, 2012, 01:50:00 AM »

Yeah, that was one I thought of.  Although in most editions I've seen, the lowest A# is usually listed as optional.  Regardless, I'm going to go cry in a corner for a bit...

My edition suggests rolling it and playing the top note with the left hand. I can reach it, but I kind of like the sound of arpeggiating that chord.
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«Reply #31 on: December 28, 2012, 04:20:24 AM »
Only $12,000 USD! Get 'em before they're gone!


I need to get my grand first....Don't think it will fit to my upright...

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«Reply #32 on: December 28, 2012, 04:22:52 AM »
I need to get my grand first....Don't think it will fit to my upright...

What does the second part of that mean, exactly? Fit to my upright? Sorry, I just don't understand what is meant by that.
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«Reply #33 on: December 28, 2012, 05:36:52 AM »
I need to get my grand first....Don't think it will fit to my upright...

They also make uprights by themselves, I think for around 10.  But yeah, I'd rather just wait a little longer to get a grand and then the keyboard if I were you.  I'm lucky enough to have a grand hand-me-down, but... it will still be a while.  Hooray bills.

What does the second part of that mean, exactly? Fit to my upright? Sorry, I just don't understand what is meant by that.

I believe it's just that upright keyboards aren't interchangeable.
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«Reply #34 on: December 28, 2012, 10:44:39 PM »
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there is a chord which spans A#-C#-E-A#-C#. It hurts my hand to play it, and I can reach a twelfth

Play the bottom note with the thumb and the note above it, C#, with the base of the thumb.
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«Reply #35 on: December 28, 2012, 10:49:54 PM »
Play the bottom note with the thumb and the note above it, C#, with the base of the thumb.

I don't need that so much, as doing that just makes the sound worse. And I can reach the chord, it just hurts a bit.
Beethoven: Sonatas Op. 53, 101
Schumann: Kreisleriana
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«Reply #36 on: December 28, 2012, 11:43:25 PM »
I too have often noticed what almost appears to be a law of inverse correlation on piano forums between those who talk and argue and those who post recordings. I do actually play quite a few difficult classical pieces but they are only a means to an end, I don't like most classical music anyway and my playing is as rough as a bear's backside compared to that of most people here. Posting improvisation and my own compositions, on the other hand, I rather enjoy, but only about once a month. But then I am probably not one of the "flaunters" alluded to in the original post.
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«Reply #37 on: December 29, 2012, 04:08:02 AM »
I flaunt my terrible skills regularly.  Does that count?
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«Reply #38 on: December 29, 2012, 04:14:06 AM »
I flaunt my terrible skills regularly.  Does that count?

Do you claim to play highly virtuosic repertoire yet never post a recording? If not, then no, it doesn't.
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Schumann: Kreisleriana
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Liszt: Apres une lecture de Dante, Paganini Etude 1

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«Reply #39 on: December 29, 2012, 04:17:44 AM »
Do you claim to play highly virtuosic repertoire yet never post a recording? If not, then no, it doesn't.

Never posted a recording and have claimed a few virtuosic pieces in sarcasm, although the internet still doesn't have a sarcasm font.  So... you never know.

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«Reply #40 on: December 29, 2012, 04:18:46 AM »
Never posted a recording and have claimed a few virtuosic pieces in sarcasm, although the internet still doesn't have a sarcasm font.  So... you never know.

I generally believe I'm quite delusional, but if I am delusional this is probably not true.

Therefore you are not delusional, setting up a paradox.
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Liszt: Apres une lecture de Dante, Paganini Etude 1

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«Reply #41 on: January 09, 2013, 01:08:41 AM »
This forum seems to cover a lot of material, including the primary reasons that I have not yet posted in the audition room, these being lack of a quality recording device and simply the fact that I am not obliged to do so and really have to pressing reason to. Also, posted very strong recordings is probably not a good idea because the Internet has some dishonest people on it. However, I'm considering posting a not so difficult piece there, just for the heck of it and because I have indeed claimed to play difficult repertoire in these forums.

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«Reply #42 on: January 09, 2013, 02:21:07 AM »
.....the Internet has some dishonest people on it.
It certainly does and I am sure you know it personally very well.
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«Reply #43 on: January 09, 2013, 05:18:26 AM »
I don't get why people get so mad if someone just happens to boast anyway.

I mean whether it's honest or not who cares, it's not like their piano skills or lack thereof will actually effect you in any significant way whatsoever, especially when they boast on an internet forum. :/

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«Reply #44 on: January 09, 2013, 05:31:55 AM »
I don't get why people get so mad if someone just happens to boast anyway.

I mean whether it's honest or not who cares, it's not like their piano skills or lack thereof will actually effect you in any significant way whatsoever, especially when they boast on an internet forum. :/

It's not their claimed piano skills or lack thereof that makes other forum members lose their temper. The problem is that it becomes impossible to have a reasonable conversation if there is no minimum level of trust, truth, etc. What good is the Internet if we all start shouting past each other about how good we are without anyone listening and/or having any reference about how seriously we should take those exclamations? If there is no communication, then it all becomes empty monologue and therefore useless. A forum that used to be a rather good source of information is now systematically being polluted by a bunch of anonymous ego-trippers. That is just unacceptable, not only because of the reasons mentioned above, but also because it is an insult of what true freedom of speech was meant to be.

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«Reply #45 on: January 09, 2013, 06:55:56 AM »
It is none of your business sir. If you really dont believe what these people say, just ignore them like I will ignore your audition forum comment. For your information, the camera makes me look fat, and no audio recording is accurate of a good perfornance, because probably, i suck.  ::) or maybe you are not worthy of my excellence. :-*  jk, but u really are worrying too much. Everyone succeeds at one thing and can fail at another. Forgive those people, they are only human. Ps i havent played 1 bit of emperor concerto but i love how rubenstein plays the beethoven concertos and its a goal of mine. Perhaps u can look at it as ambition.

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«Reply #46 on: January 09, 2013, 07:11:27 AM »
It's not their claimed piano skills or lack thereof that makes other forum members lose their temper. The problem is that it becomes impossible to have a reasonable conversation if there is no minimum level of trust, truth, etc. What good is the Internet if we all start shouting past each other about how good we are without anyone listening and/or having any reference about how seriously we should take those exclamations? If there is no communication, then it all becomes empty monologue and therefore useless. A forum that used to be a rather good source of information is now systematically being polluted by a bunch of anonymous ego-trippers. That is just unacceptable, not only because of the reasons mentioned above, but also because it is an insult of what true freedom of speech was meant to be.

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All of that or you can, you know, ignore bs because it's bs.

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«Reply #47 on: January 09, 2013, 07:37:06 AM »
It is none of your business sir. If you really dont believe what these people say, just ignore them like I will ignore your audition forum comment.

1) Unfortunately, there is no ignore button available.
2) Even if there were an ignore button available, many topics where the ego-trippers with fictitious data about themselves participate become virtually meaningless because many others (especially newcomers) may choose not to ignore what was said. In this way, even otherwise good topics are spoiled completely, which is actually the trolls' aim.
3) Besides, many of us consider this resource as their home. It's just too tiring to continuously have a BS filter on alert. That's not what people come here for.
4) Last but not least, do you have any idea how a Google search is affected by this kind of posts? The resource we are on is degraded to junk and gradually lowered in rank because the quality info we had is burried under an avalanche of useless stuff [Google tends to show recent posts and topics first].

Although, strictly speaking, all of the above may be "none of my business, sir" (c), I fail to see how anyone who cares for this forum can afford to ignore such a development.

For your information, the camera makes me look fat, and no audio recording is accurate of a good perfornance, because probably, i suck.
I rarely attend the Audition Room. What you point at is certainly not the kind of audition forum comments you can expect from me personally. If I don't know what to say or I don't like something for objective reasons, I just keep silent. Generally, I am very good-willing towards anyone at any level. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please point me to any of my posts that suggest something else.

All of that or you can, you know, ignore bs because it's bs.
That's exactly what I don't want to be busy with all day - filtering here what is BS and what is not. I have a hosts file, excellent script blockers and ad filters to do that on the Internet as a whole (Default Deny policy), but not on a resource of my interest where I am registered.

P.S.: An electronic passport during the registration process that cancels all precious anomity; that will certainly solve this problem. But this will also increase the amount of hypocrisy in communication because people will be afraid to tell you what they really think. I'm not so sure that is what we need. The only benefit is: once banned, you will no longer be allowed to register yet another account. That is exactly what people are asking for when they ignore all this -> dictatorship.

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«Reply #48 on: January 09, 2013, 02:28:06 PM »

1) Unfortunately, there is no ignore button available.
2) Even if there were an ignore button available, many topics where the ego-trippers with fictitious data about themselves participate become virtually meaningless because many others (especially newcomers) may choose not to ignore what was said. In this way, even otherwise good topics are spoiled completely, which is actually the trolls' aim.
3) Besides, many of us consider this resource as their home. It's just too tiring to continuously have a BS filter on alert. That's not what people come here for.
4) Last but not least, do you have any idea how a Google search is affected by this kind of posts? The resource we are on is degraded to junk and gradually lowered in rank because the quality info we had is burried under an avalanche of useless stuff [Google tends to show recent posts and topics first].

Although, strictly speaking, all of the above may be "none of my business, sir" (c), I fail to see how anyone who cares for this forum can afford to ignore such a development.
I rarely attend the Audition Room. What you point at is certainly not the kind of audition forum comments you can expect from me personally. If I don't know what to say or I don't like something for objective reasons, I just keep silent. Generally, I am very good-willing towards anyone at any level. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please point me to any of my posts that suggest something else.
That's exactly what I don't want to be busy with all day - filtering here what is BS and what is not. I have a hosts file, excellent script blockers and ad filters to do that on the Internet as a whole (Default Deny policy), but not on a resource of my interest where I am registered.

P.S.: An electronic passport during the registration process that cancels all precious anomity; that will certainly solve this problem. But this will also increase the amount of hypocrisy in communication because people will be afraid to tell you what they really think. I'm not so sure that is what we need. The only benefit is: once banned, you will no longer be allowed to register yet another account. That is exactly what people are asking for when they ignore all this -> dictatorship.

Paul

Calm down :) I was just having fun. I am serious too, and I think I have advice that I have given in the past that was acceptable and luckily for us, my light-hearted comment earlier is still under the topic of "forum flaunting"  which is nowhere near "help with beethoven appasionata" or some other long, difficult work. Sorry for trashing your google search dude. I hardly expected to offend you earlier. Hope all is well. I was joking about the appearance and quality of me/my performances, if I get a good recording I will share. I do little recording at this phase in my musicianship. Also, I cant perform on my instrument because it has original action from 1938. ^_^ which I am proud to be an owner of a piano with real ivory keys.

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«Reply #49 on: January 09, 2013, 03:02:26 PM »
Sorry for trashing your google search dude.

My remarks were NOT directed at your posts or at you, chopin2015. With "this kind of posts" I meant the kind of posts the topic starter was referring to by people with 1) surreal claims of personality and virtuosity, 2) weird topics and polls that make the hair of any serious musician stand on end, and 3) unqualified advice. As far as I know you, you don't belong in that category. Forgive me if I gave you the wrong impression.

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