Going through many posts in this forum, I find many postings (and posters) quite delusional.Many people go around posting up claims of playing highly virtuosic repertoire, but when you go to the audition room forum, the same posters are never seen putting any sort of performance up there. And quite frankly, some claims sound so bombastic, that it's hard to differentiate from the real and the trolls. For example, someone claims in one post that they learned (*insert crazy difficult concerto name here*), but in another post they are quite funnily asking "What the hardest piece in the world?" is. Can anyone be so oblivious to their own idiocy? Why the hell would a person working on an insane concerto be asking an amateurish question like that?Quite frankly, what is the point of living ones fantasy's through a forum, and what the hell does one really gain from it? Sure the proper solution to this annoyance would be to ignore such people....but when aplenty are around (especially on places such has youtube), it's REALLY difficult not to hate on them.
@vsrinivasa:We know you are not to blame here, it was all my fault!Since there are people on this forum who actuallly CAN play grazy difficult stuff, I think us mortals have two options to participate: Being honest about our (dis)abilities to play and accept our place in the lowest caste or try to fake our way into the PS elite... It's actually not that different to real life
@ vsrinivasa and outinThere are many legitimate reasons not to post anything in the Audition Room. Modesty is probably the best one. I don't think cadenza14224 would require that from just anyone. Besides, he/she was clearly not referring to either of you, so relax. Paul
Well, it wasnt entirely your fault, it was mine for following your advice. I just don't want to be placed among these forum flaunters, as I am not one of them, I just have inadequate facilities to record. Another pianist promised to provide me with either a camera or recording device by April, so I will prove my abilities then. If I don't, please PM me or something with a reminder.What do you mean when you say "us mortals"? If you play any instrument you are among the elite in our world, although not really on PS...
I don't think the OP directed this towards you. He was talking about someone else. I think we all know who it is.
What do you mean when you say "us mortals"?
Just an expression...The "elite" on PS is also in general very kind and willing to give advice and answer silly questions (except for the REALLY idiotic ones that have no answer). So there's really no reason to fake, but for some people it's just important to feel important, even when there's little ground. Let those people have their moment, as Paul says it's better than loosing the freedom of being anonymous.And I never got the impression that you'd be fake at all...
IMO forums generally sometimes attract all sorts of idiots, not just flaunters. I also think it becomes pretty obvious really quickly. There are all sorts of reasons that people may not post recordings of themselves. I have as yet posted none, though that will shortly change with the PS competition. My excuse is that I had never had occasion to make a recording before, and had never really thought about doing so.In the end, forumeers are valued for the quality of their contributions (in the many ways that that can be the case). Anyone wishing to use this as a platform to merely flaunt their supposed genius is likely to be profoundly boring more than anything else.
I wish I could post a proper recording, but I never seem to be able to make a decent one that would pass the description on the audition room...I do take videos occasionally to get some idea of how I sound (did some today actually), but I still get very tense when I know the camera is on. Also I usually don't get the pieces secure enough before moving on to make an errorless performance (it can take me months to properly memorize something and my reading is very unsecure) or when I occasionally do I am not in the mood to set the camera. But I have a few pieces that I keep alive and they are getting better memorized so maybe one day soon
To all,Please do not feel like I am trying to patronize individuals on this forum! I have no intention of disheartening or making anyone feel discouraged! It is just something I have seen occur numerous times (not pianostreet exclusively) and was just interested in stating an opinion. I am extremely sorry if you felt individually attacked. My humblest apologies!
I do not feel personally attacked. However, you said something about claiming to play extremely virtuosic repertoire, which I have done, and not posting in the Audition Room, in which I have not posted. So I felt I could be percieved as a forum flaunter and wanted to clarify. I also feel like recordings do not capture the actual spirit of my playing. They often do not show full dynamics, clear sound, etc. which is one of my many reasons to not post in the Audition Room. You might see something pop up there in the future, though!
Umm... has this thread occurred before many times before in the history of PianoForum? I think it has. Deja vu!
the real bottom line for me is that I simply don't think I'm good enough to inflict myself on others. I love what I play, and I play it well enough for me (and my family, thank goodness!) to enjoy, but to inflict it on others? Ah... no.
As I probably constantly repeat due to my own depression over it, I have tiny hands.
So tiny that you can just reach a ninth, right? Some of us should just forget about playing I guess...
Just reach when holding my fingers apart with my other hand, never when playing I quit. Until I buy a 7/8 size keyboard.
In regards to the OP, I think there is also an aspect of specific skill sets. As I probably constantly repeat due to my own depression over it, I have tiny hands. There are several lvl 8+ pieces I can play that many people of my skill level might find excessively difficult, but I am unable to play a lvl 6 piece that has a stretch of a tenth. I can't play them as is, and suck at rolling with musicality. If there were a level 4 piece that incorporated that, I'd probably suck at it as well. I'm sure many people are talented in one area while struggle in another, making the commentary sometimes hard to believe.
Maybe I should get one too...so that I could finally play octaves the way they should be played...
Then again, the professional advice isn't always great either.
Such a piece does exist: Chopin's Prelude Op. 28 No. 7 in A Major. In the fifth bar from the end there is a chord which spans A#-C#-E-A#-C#. It hurts my hand to play it, and I can reach a twelfth. And PS grades it as level 4...
Yeah, that was one I thought of. Although in most editions I've seen, the lowest A# is usually listed as optional. Regardless, I'm going to go cry in a corner for a bit...
Only $12,000 USD! Get 'em before they're gone!
I need to get my grand first....Don't think it will fit to my upright...
What does the second part of that mean, exactly? Fit to my upright? Sorry, I just don't understand what is meant by that.
there is a chord which spans A#-C#-E-A#-C#. It hurts my hand to play it, and I can reach a twelfth
Play the bottom note with the thumb and the note above it, C#, with the base of the thumb.
I flaunt my terrible skills regularly. Does that count?
Do you claim to play highly virtuosic repertoire yet never post a recording? If not, then no, it doesn't.
Never posted a recording and have claimed a few virtuosic pieces in sarcasm, although the internet still doesn't have a sarcasm font. So... you never know.I generally believe I'm quite delusional, but if I am delusional this is probably not true.
.....the Internet has some dishonest people on it.
I don't get why people get so mad if someone just happens to boast anyway.I mean whether it's honest or not who cares, it's not like their piano skills or lack thereof will actually effect you in any significant way whatsoever, especially when they boast on an internet forum. :/
It's not their claimed piano skills or lack thereof that makes other forum members lose their temper. The problem is that it becomes impossible to have a reasonable conversation if there is no minimum level of trust, truth, etc. What good is the Internet if we all start shouting past each other about how good we are without anyone listening and/or having any reference about how seriously we should take those exclamations? If there is no communication, then it all becomes empty monologue and therefore useless. A forum that used to be a rather good source of information is now systematically being polluted by a bunch of anonymous ego-trippers. That is just unacceptable, not only because of the reasons mentioned above, but also because it is an insult of what true freedom of speech was meant to be.Paul
It is none of your business sir. If you really dont believe what these people say, just ignore them like I will ignore your audition forum comment.
For your information, the camera makes me look fat, and no audio recording is accurate of a good perfornance, because probably, i suck.
All of that or you can, you know, ignore bs because it's bs.
1) Unfortunately, there is no ignore button available. 2) Even if there were an ignore button available, many topics where the ego-trippers with fictitious data about themselves participate become virtually meaningless because many others (especially newcomers) may choose not to ignore what was said. In this way, even otherwise good topics are spoiled completely, which is actually the trolls' aim.3) Besides, many of us consider this resource as their home. It's just too tiring to continuously have a BS filter on alert. That's not what people come here for.4) Last but not least, do you have any idea how a Google search is affected by this kind of posts? The resource we are on is degraded to junk and gradually lowered in rank because the quality info we had is burried under an avalanche of useless stuff [Google tends to show recent posts and topics first].Although, strictly speaking, all of the above may be "none of my business, sir" (c), I fail to see how anyone who cares for this forum can afford to ignore such a development.I rarely attend the Audition Room. What you point at is certainly not the kind of audition forum comments you can expect from me personally. If I don't know what to say or I don't like something for objective reasons, I just keep silent. Generally, I am very good-willing towards anyone at any level. If you have reason to believe otherwise, please point me to any of my posts that suggest something else.That's exactly what I don't want to be busy with all day - filtering here what is BS and what is not. I have a hosts file, excellent script blockers and ad filters to do that on the Internet as a whole (Default Deny policy), but not on a resource of my interest where I am registered.P.S.: An electronic passport during the registration process that cancels all precious anomity; that will certainly solve this problem. But this will also increase the amount of hypocrisy in communication because people will be afraid to tell you what they really think. I'm not so sure that is what we need. The only benefit is: once banned, you will no longer be allowed to register yet another account. That is exactly what people are asking for when they ignore all this -> dictatorship.Paul
Sorry for trashing your google search dude.
Topic: Forum Flaunting 