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Offline trus

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going back into piano world
on: December 26, 2012, 05:18:07 PM
Hi everyone, am new to this forum and hope you are all having good holidays.
I wonder if you could give me some advice.
I havent played piano for 17 years and now got my own piano at last, that I had money, the room, etc to have it.

To cut long story short, I graduated a musical school in Russia 17 years ago (studied for 7 years) but despite of my prospects of passing entrance exms in to Moscow Concervatory I choose to get a degree in teaching some different subject.

Music has always been my passion and it was heart breaking not being able to touch the keyboboard for such a long ti, e, n8w my gaughter been learning how to play violin and I have been able to help her at home.

I started playing again and my note reading is pretty much not very good but I can still sit down and improvise or find piecs which I heared or remember from the past. Ok, it may well be not a 100 percent interpretation of perfection but it sounds quite good.

A) what is the best way of brushing up on things to get me back to speed? Anyone with similar experience?

B) after I am fully fit to play again I was thinking of starting up my new teaching piano, would my Russian diploma rate at all?

Thanks a lot
Regards,
Tonya

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 08:27:12 PM
Ok I see people are reading my post but no one says anything, ...... I will refraze my question s.  What's the best way of getting my muscle memory and sound memory  to work together with my eyes. Can anyone recommend any techniques or may be some useful books to read, the ones for rusty pianists like myself?

Is there a way of finding out of how would my education compare to others, for instance abrsm system? Anyone come across Russian State Music schools standards?
Thanks...

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
There are thoughts, but you are writing on the day after Christmas Day.  A lot of people are busy with visiting family and such.  Give it time.  :)  And welcome, btw.

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
Thanks, I suppose I will just have to be patient he he he

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 07:52:45 PM
A) what is the best way of brushing up on things to get me back to speed? Anyone with similar experience?

B) after I am fully fit to play again I was thinking of starting up my new teaching piano, would my Russian diploma rate at all?

A) Haven't had the same experience, but I think you should just progress naturally. Maybe the same way you learned when you were a child, with much more dedication? Progressing from easy pieces and easy studies (etudes) to more difficult ones over time. Reading piano books also helps a whole lot: the Lhevines released a very good concise book called "Basics in Pianoforte..." (something along the lines of that), and Walter Gieseking also has a book that's wonderful as well. I could link you to them if you'd like.

Anyways, slow and steady is the way to go. Of course, you'll be reviewing things, but along the way you'll be mastering some things you never got down in your former years.

B) Are you saying that you would like to start teaching piano again? Which diploma are you referring to, your old one in your former years learning or the one you graduated from in college?

In either case, I'd wait to get a lot more experience to begin teaching again. Over time, you know.

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Anyways, that's all I could help you with right now. Wish you good luck and a good new year!

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
I too had a 15 year gap in my piano playing, after majoring in piano in college.  It was amazing to play after all those years.  My fingers literally knew what to do before my brain engaged.  What was my hand flying up there for?  Oh.  That's the next phrase.  Reading seemed hopeless.  Couldn't believe I used to play these pieces.  But, over the next few weeks the reading returned and I was able to play again.  Technique, however, was another story.  To regain the level I was at in college I would need intensive technical work, preferably with a piano coach.  I do teach now.  I worked my way into that also.  One student friend, then referrals one by one, then after a few years it snowballed until I had a waiting list established.  But the important part is to never stop learning, reading, playing, improving.  It can be done.  Be patient and work your hardest.

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
Can't assist with B, but for A my advice is to go over some of the repertoire you used to do, starting with some easier pieces. You may be surprised to learn that not everything has been forgotten, even after all this time, and that will help you get up to some sort of speed more quickly than entirely new pieces. Then branch out, starting again at an easier level than you had.
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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
A) Haven't had the same experience, but I think you should just progress naturally. Maybe the same way you learned when you were a child, with much more dedication? Progressing from easy pieces and easy studies (etudes) to more difficult ones over time. Reading piano books also helps a whole lot: the Lhevines released a very good concise book called "Basics in Pianoforte..." (something along the lines of that), and Walter Gieseking also has a book that's wonderful as well. I could link you to them if you'd like.

Anyways, slow and steady is the way to go. Of course, you'll be reviewing things, but along the way you'll be mastering some things you never got down in your former years.

B) Are you saying that you would like to start teaching piano again? Which diploma are you referring to, your old one in your former years learning or the one you graduated from in college?



Hello Teosoleil, thank you for your reply.

I hope you have a good New Year too.
I could not face starting from Mary had a little lamb kind of thing, I decided to get my fingers fit for work first, so am doing lots of scales and after a few days it seems near enough effortless, well apart from a couple of tricky ones with fingering. At the same time I was also trying to play things from memory, and a few film songs, just for fun. I layed out the Fur Elise by memory too, what I could remember. I later downloaded a sheet music for it and found out that I had it done in  a tone lower than it supposed to have been... well,, I didnt think of listening to it on you tube or someghing first before letting my creativity run riot lol!

Playing it off the sheet heloed me with reading notes above middle c as i surely knew if I hit a wrong one. 

My terminology is  also no good I found out but its helping that I am teaching my dauhter at the same time, so ak brushin up on things as I go along. One thing was reallybdifficult to get me head around is the way the notes are called, using latin letters! We learnt it as do, rei, me, fa, sol, etc (not sure of the spelling of those though).

I am suing Watermann's oiano books for my daughter just now, but its all a new thing for me as we used Russian books in my times... I also got myself a book by j. Clough and j. Conley called scales, intervals, triads, etc, it seems to be qute good just now... i will googoe the ones you mentioned though,  will I find them on amazon I wonder.....

I was refferimg to my music diploma from Russia when I was talking about teaching, as I have to use all of possible ways of increasing my earnings. I am still teachimg in my original profession but I am hardly busy during winters, and where we live its not that many people anyway.  I am using my daughter as a gunei pig just now ha ha ha but I agree wih you that I wasnt going to jump into wider teaching next week. There is no questiom that I can teach, I am really good at it and can find approach to different people, keep the engaged, motivated and make it real fun to learn. Its just gettin the sunject brushed up now. ))

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
I too had a 15 year gap in my piano playing, after majoring in piano in college.  It was amazing to play after all those years.  My fingers literally knew what to do before my brain engaged.  What was my hand flying up there for?  Oh.  That's the next phrase.  Reading seemed hopeless.  Couldn't believe I used to play these pieces.  But, over the next few weeks the reading returned and I was able to play again.  Technique, however, was another story.  To regain the level I was at in college I would need intensive technical work, preferably with a piano coach.  I do teach now.  I worked my way into that also.  One student friend, then referrals one by one, then after a few years it snowballed until I had a waiting list established.  But the important part is to never stop learning, reading, playing, improving.  It can be done.  Be patient and work your hardest.

Thank you Lilla, yes I was amazed how much my fingers re,member ! Especially the ones on the rigt hand, left one had some catching up to do he he.  I looked at some pieces I used to play and it told me no more than a manuscript in ancient egypcian (which I obbiously dont speak!!!!!! ) but am gettimg there , as I mentioned in the post above. One aand a half weekes since i have the piano and I play intermediate pieces  (well, only two of them yet) . If 20 years ago someone told my mother that I would be sittig in front of the piano for 2-3 hours at a time , willingly, lol, she would not believe it, bless her, she had to sit and near enough hold me down on the piano stool cause I couldnt play the same thing over and over again.  She was a concervatory student herself she did put quite a lot of pressure on my practicing. All I wanted to do was improvise and experiment with thigs lol.. sorry for typos am using my touch screen tablet at its drivig me mad arghhhhh
Have a good New year.

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Re: going back into piano world
Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 09:13:51 PM
Can't assist with B, but for A my advice is to go over some of the repertoire you used to do, starting with some easier pieces. You may be surprised to learn that not everything has been forgotten, even after all this time, and that will help you get up to some sort of speed more quickly than entirely new pieces. Then branch out, starting again at an easier level than you had.

Thank you, yes it makes sense. Trouble is to identify what level I was at though, I cannot remember what I used to play in my last years to save my life! I gave my mom a job to find out from my piano teacher, she might know the rough range of my examination pieces
 I will probably remember pieces I used to play a lot (like the ones I had to play for quarterly examinations, for instance, all learnt by heart) once I see the sheets and start playing them again. My visual memory is predominant in this respect.,... it would be interesting to find out of what am goig to be posting on this foru, in a years time and what progress I would have made. Exciting!
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