Chopin etude Op.25 no.12 "ocean"

[onwan]

I've practiced this etude about two weeks without a teacher. It is only at the beginning. Do you think that I can finish it or it is just much hard for me?

[the89thkey]

You have made some progress, but the piece is just a little out of your reach right now. However, I think another Chopin etude would be just right for you. Try out Opus 25 No 1, the Harp etude. It's technically easier and just as pretty. See what you think, and if you don't like it then go ahead and keep working on Ocean. Maybe I misjudged you and you will be able to learn it. Whichever one you decide to do, I'd like to hear it if you polish it!

[perfect_pitch]

However, I think another Chopin etude would be just right for you. Try out Opus 25 No 1, the Harp etude. It's technically easier and just as pretty.

OKAY... Considering you've just claimed that the Op 25, No. 1 is easier than the Ocean Etude - I basically lost whatever little respect I had for you now...

They're all rather hard and considering that the ocean etudes is basically broken chords, but the Op 25 No. 1 needs some impressively perfected legato and very, VERY limbre fingers.

Sorry, but from what I hear onwan - try a couple of the Preludes first. Start with the Easy ones - the E Major, the b minor, A Major, c minor preludes. Then start looking at a few of the harder ones.

You've got a while to go before you should try the etudes.

[lelle]

I agree with perfect_pitch. It sounds messy, and there are a lot of wonderful, easier pieces that you can work on to improve your technique! Chopin etudes should be carefully studied with a competent teacher, "just playing" them hoping that it will work out can even be harmful.

[the89thkey]

Op 25 No 1 is much much easier than the Ocean Etude, for me at least, and I think most concert pianists would tell you the same thing. Technically at least. Musically it may be more difficult.

And playing preludes is definitely better than etudes. I suggested the other etude due to the fact that the OP seemed very excited about learning an etude.

[perfect_pitch]

Op 25 No 1 is much much easier than the Ocean Etude, for me at least, and I think most concert pianists would tell you the same thing. Technically at least.

Oh - you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. You think you can talk on behalf or MOST CONCERT pianists??? Somehow I think that's total bullshit.

Considering as I said, that the Ocean Etude is basically based on broken arpeggiated chords, scalling up and down the piano, but the Op 25 No. 1 has really large jumps that have to be executed with a brilliantly preserved legato.

[the89thkey]

Oh - you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. You think you can talk on behalf or MOST CONCERT pianists??? Somehow I think that's total bullshit.

Considering as I said, that the Ocean Etude is basically based on broken arpeggiated chords, scalling up and down the piano, but the Op 25 No. 1 has really large jumps that have to be executed with a brilliantly preserved legato.

I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. If you still disagree then I suggest you try giving both pieces to a reasonably advanced junior and ask them to read both and work a little on them, and tell you which is easier. I guarantee 25-1 is easier than 25-12.
Now if you want a really hard one...look at Opus 10 No 2. It's probably the hardest of the lot. Or some Godowsky transcriptions. Hamelin does them brilliantly. I have never tried to learn them (although I did do most of the normal etudes when I was younger. Out of practice now. Wish I had learned the cycle and recorded it. Oh well. I don't want to relearn everything, plus the few I didn't learn which included hard ones such as 10-7 and yes 10-7 is pretty hard because of the repeated notes throughout.)

[perfect_pitch]

Yeah... I know about Godowsky - have for years, know that Op 10-2 is most likely the hardest because of the fingering and use of the 4's and 5's to play chromatic scales while small chords are played underneath.

I still disagree with you between Op 25-12 and Op 25-1...

Hey - How'd your concerto recording go... wasn't it a couple of days ago, early January? Have any videos to show us?

[the89thkey]

Yeah... I know about Godowsky - have for years, know that Op 10-2 is most likely the hardest because of the fingering and use of the 4's and 5's to play chromatic scales while small chords are played underneath.

I still disagree with you between Op 25-12 and Op 25-1...

Hey - How'd your concerto recording go... wasn't it a couple of days ago, early January? Have any videos to show us?

Just because the performance WAS recorded doesn't mean I am going to post it on an internet forum for God knows who to listen to and possibly abuse. I mentioned the performance itself in one of the threads in the Performance forum: I believe it had Tchaikovsky in the title. I may post a short recording of a solo piece in this board though, something which cannot get trafficked. If you want to see that certainly ask me.

[lostinidlewonder]

the89thkey why don't you get your other account brendan765 to say that he attended your recording with the orchestra and it was great!!! That would be a good idea huh? I mean it would be as believable as everything else you post.

[ruvidoetostinato]

They're harder/easier depending on the person, but I personally found 25#1 to be slightly more difficult than 25#12.

But with the matter at hand, I agree with what lelle said, especially
"just playing" them hoping that it will work out can even be harmful."
STUDIES!

You're asking if you can finish it?
What do you mean by this, do you have a set deadline?
But working with a teacher and finding efficient methods to practice the piece would assist in finishing it. 
I don't think it's MUCH to difficult for you though.

Also, how much time per day have you been spending on the piece to get it to this level of playing?  That would also give a better idea to whether or not you should set it aside for now and learn easier Chopin works

[p2u_]

It is only at the beginning.

You've said it yourself. Don't be too discouraged by anything said here; there's always hope for improvement. If I were you, I would talk to my teacher. Don't be disappointed though if he/she prohibits you to take on works of that caliber. I would also refrain from posting stuff you know yourself is far from up to performance level. This (and especially the cold shower you're virtually asking for) conditions you for a negative approach towards your own development. Nobody deserves that.

Paul

[the89thkey]

the89thkey why don't you get your other account brendan765 to say that he attended your recording with the orchestra and it was great!!! That would be a good idea huh? I mean it would be as believable as everything else you post.

Let's just say that he and I were the same person (which is obviously not true, he writes much differently and generally acts like an idiot asking amateurish questions in all the forums and expecting people to understand what he's talking about.) It would still be a pretty stupid thing to do to post a comment such as that. So please, unless there is something you need to say about the subject of this thread, keep your mouth shut. I'm sick of having people rant about how much of a fraud I am...don't make me start quoting some of these people and finding the flaws in their logic.

[perprocrastinate]

Let's just say that he and I were the same person (which is obviously not true, he writes much differently and generally acts like an idiot asking amateurish questions in all the forums and expecting people to understand what he's talking about.) It would still be a pretty stupid thing to do to post a comment such as that. So please, unless there is something you need to say about the subject of this thread, keep your mouth shut. I'm sick of having people rant about how much of a fraud I am...don't make me start quoting some of these people and finding the flaws in their logic.

I have a suggestion. Instead of spending half your time on this forum attempting to defend yourself, why don't you just try to act like a mature person, and just ignore the accusations, like you said you would, several times. But it seems that you have failed to do so.

And where have you said so? Here you go. I could waste my time picking out a dozen more like these, but I have better things to do than lurk a forum all day. Or fall victim to a troll. But I have to admit, it's pretty fun to feed trolls..almost like playing a video game.

And by all means continue to believe that I am a fraud. I don't really care what you think, and neither does anyone else. So if it makes you happy, go right ahead.

I am not willing to disclose any information on myself on the Internet. If you don't believe me, that's not really my problem

[the89thkey]

Let's get back to the original topic please...I'm done arguing with people who persist with their opinion without listening to logic or reason. Think what you feel like thinking. Maybe even leave this forum and go meditate about it for the next month. Would make some people a lot better off.

[49410enrique]

Let's get back to the original topic please

a very sincere thank you for the effort to try and direct attention back to onwan's original thread (this is about his recording after all and it is his work we should discuss).

thanks. i agree.

[the89thkey]

a very sincere thank you for the effort to try and direct attention back to onwan's original thread (this is about his recording after all and it is his work we should discuss).

thanks. i agree.

Thank you for agreeing.

On that note, I'm going to ask in case the original poster is still around: What parts do you find the most technically challenging in the piece? I get a feel for this out of the recording, but I can't get the specifics. Then I might be able to give you more specific practice tips if you want them, and hopefully get to hear the finished version once you've completed the work.

[tchristec]

Just because the performance WAS recorded doesn't mean I am going to post it on an internet forum for God knows who to listen to and possibly abuse. I mentioned the performance itself in one of the threads in the Performance forum: I believe it had Tchaikovsky in the title. I may post a short recording of a solo piece in this board though, something which cannot get trafficked. If you want to see that certainly ask me.

I can assure you that even if you post something you recorded you will not be in danger of someone trying to claim it as their own.  Everyone here has pretty good ethics in that regard.