Counting Ravel

[proklover]

(I posted this in "performance" too)
I am just so bewildered by the counting in this piece. Here are some examples:
-measure 93, that arppegio thing (do you just not really count that??)
-measure 232, the arpeggio going up (its like 10 against 13 or something crazy like that)
-a similar one in measure 253
-measure 424, 9 sixteenth notes in a 3/8 bar??
-measure 436

yeah, thats all I can find.....for now.

I'm beginning to think a lot of the parts I am asking about isn't exactly counted, you just have to make it to the end of the arpeggio in time with the both the hands (?) I'm just not quite sure if I'm right or not...HELP!!!!!!

[andreslr6]

(I posted this in "performance" too)
I am just so bewildered by the counting in this piece. Here are some examples:
-measure 93, that arppegio thing (do you just not really count that??)
-measure 232, the arpeggio going up (its like 10 against 13 or something crazy like that)
-a similar one in measure 253
-measure 424, 9 sixteenth notes in a 3/8 bar??
-measure 436

yeah, thats all I can find.....for now.

I'm beginning to think a lot of the parts I am asking about isn't exactly counted, you just have to make it to the end of the arpeggio in time with the both the hands (?) I'm just not quite sure if I'm right or not...HELP!!!!!!

I assume the piece you're referring to is Scarbo, right?

- measure 93, you can count 3 groups of 5 notes
- 232, right hand play 3 groups of 3, left hand 3 groups of 4, so basically it's 3 groups of 3vs4 notes
- 253, same as in 232
- 424, it can be 3 groups of 3 notes too.
- 436, 16 notes in the last beat, if you want to subdivide you have 2 groups of 8 notes or 8 notes per quaver.

I haven't played this piece, but just by reading the sheet music I can give you that. Although, I assume that when you play it a tempo you should not hear the subdivisions or 3 groups of 3 or 3 groups of 4 etc. but rather just an impulse on the first note of every scale, arpeggio or big group of notes.

[proklover]

Thank you sooooo much! this was super helpful.

[chopin2015]

https://books.google.ru/books?id=Fp8bSSFfR6sC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=ravel+63/84&source=bl&ots=HvoWFplwFN&sig=drCrr0zq2gRzf4VYoH8xsQBtzwk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q_3nUPjOK5HN4QT94IDoDg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ravel%2063%2F84&f=false