Would you rather...

[perfect_pitch]

OH and answering the question about killing 100 kittens is ok and people would really do it? and so that means the question that lostin... asked wasn't really a question because noone in their right mind would kill a baby right? but it's ok to kill 100 kittens? right? so I would say that wasn't a valid question either! if questions about killing aren't valid... Or is it just because it's about people from this forum? cause that doesn't make sense either, killing is killing if you know someone or not. and if it's just about killing people, then that wasn't a question at all because it was assumed from the beginning that the person answering the question would choose to kill 100 kittens (and I think that's what lostin... .really wanted). So that was sure not a question! but that was ok right? 

You do REALISE that this is all HYPOTHETICAL??? And not REAL???



You do realise I've never actually been in a situation where I've had to kill kittens or a baby, and that considering this isn't real, I chose the lesser of two evils.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Well I didn't mean it as a joke, I was quite serious about the question since I read in other threads littletune put animals are on par with humans which I thought was the joke itself.

Animals are on par with humans.

Humans are animals.

[Bob]

I'd rather be trapped in the state of extreme emaciation.

wyr go back into the past and meet your ancestors, or go into the future and meet your descendants?

Future, meeting descendants.  I'd ask them how in the heck they came to exist.  Then I'd come back here and make sure that didn't happen.  Kids get in the way of music.

Of course that would create a time paradox in a way... There would be no one to go meet in the future, so then I wouldn't talk to them and wouldn't come back here and prevent them from existing.  And then they would exist.  Or... I'd have created an alternate "stream" of time with no kids.  I have no kids no, so maybe this already took place?  (Or Bob just planned ahead.  )



Would you rather... experience Pain A or Pain B? 

[lloyd_cdb]

Or... I'd have created an alternate "stream" of time with no kids.  I have no kids no, so maybe this already took place?  (Or Bob just planned ahead.  )

Would you rather... experience Pain A or Pain B? 

Infinite universes theory.  Good stuff.

I'll go with the latter.  Plan B usually helps me out, I figure Pain B can't be too bad 

wyr read every post in the longest thread or read every thread that had no responses?

[chopin2015]

Hahahaha

Read threads with no responses and make up separate accounts and talk to myself infinitely.

Wyr have a alien hatch in you and rip your rib cage open or be the last human left during a zombie take-over?

[perfect_pitch]

Animals are on par with humans.

Oh bollocks... We eat half of the animals on this planet to survive, and I'm willing to bet they're a lot tastier than humans.

Wyr have a alien hatch in you and rip your rib cage open or be the last human left during a zombie take-over?

Last human left alive... I'd rather take my chances. Also - depends on the type of zombies. Are we talking about zombies in L4D? 28 Days? I am legend zombies???

Which would you rather - lose your sense of sight, or your sense of sound???

[littletune]

You do REALISE that this is all HYPOTHETICAL??? And not REAL???



You do realise I've never actually been in a situation where I've had to kill kittens or a baby, and that considering this isn't real, I chose the lesser of two evils.

Well I wasn't the one who turned it into "as if it was real thing", I actually got angry because I had a feeling Lostin... asked that question especially for me (which was obviously true as he said himself).
I wonder for whom it would be a lesser evil... for you? the baby? the 100 kittens? the humankind? the universe in general? I mean there are always many ways of looking at it.

Animals are on par with humans.

Humans are animals.

Thank you! At least someone who is reasonable!    

Well I didn't mean it as a joke, I was quite serious about the question since I read in other threads littletune put animals are on par with humans which I thought was the joke itself. I wanted to post a question which was both difficult but easy to answer, nothing wrong with that.
Well my dear there are a lot worse things that happen in this world than killing kittens, A LOT WORSE. You will learn that eventually. How do I write in general that is offensive? Just because I don't write with countless smiley faces and childish happiness? Golly gosh.

Your question was vengeful and out of anger/frustration, but that doesn't bother me because it is just pretend, I know you wouldn't want to do it anyway just like I wouldn't want to do what I asked in my question. I was just pointing it out.
Welcome to the real world, it is not all about fluffy bunnies and happy smiles. If you don't want to imagine or think about something why bother blowing up my question in this thread into a tangent discussion?

No, you can't put up smokes and mirrors of innocence, you are human just like everyone else, and you do get angry and cant control your intentions. That is ok, but don't think that just because you are young you can step on people, you are soon going to be an adult and if you behave like that every time you disagree with something you will have a lot of strife in your life.
It doesn't make it right but it is also not right to try and quash that opinion with frustration.
This stance of yours is an extreme minority. Most normal people in this world would say an animals life is worthless compared to a humans. If you don't agree then just go ask some people in this world that are not your family and friends.

Well you are welcome to your opinion but I am afraid if you hold this throughout your life you will be a marginalized minority. That is ok, but then don't get upset when you disagree with A LOT of people.
Legally and in reality they are my property, you can have your opinion that they are not but that doesn't make it a reality, just one persons marginalized opinion.
So my pot plant is not my property? Righteo.
You really do overestimate your ability to understand people. You think you would know how I react if times where different? Come on now, its getting more and more ridiculous.
I am afraid it is your own makings that I have a disagreement with you. I don't know who the heck you are, but it seems to me at least you are a very sensitive highly strung person. That doesn't make me dislike you. Maybe if I give you heaps of smiley faces and talk like a kid you will like me?   that sorta what you like right?

Yes please remember there are people of many ages here, you might be too young to gel with older members (not that I am a geriatric!). There are many personalities online, you learn to ignore those you dislike. I am sorry you dislike me but at the same time it is not my aim to be liked on the internet (it is also not my aim to be disliked). I merely post things that I am interested to post, if people like it or not it doesn't phase me one iota.
You should learn that you can't step on peoples toes and then flutter your innocent eyes.

Yes I'm sure you thought it was a joke!
No there are no worse things than killing someone. Killing is killing!
Of course I am human and I make mistakes... I wouldn't say that I can't control my intentions, that is pretty rare for me... I am not sorry for what I wrote! I would do it again! But I would apologize for it if you apologized first. I do make a lot of mistakes but I don't see that as one of them, what exactly bothers you about how I behaved...   I mean you get what you give. You said you asked the question because of what I wrote in other posts, why did you ask it then? Because you wanted to change my mind that way? what did you expect?

Look I do not care if I'm a minority, if I know or feel something I won't pretend that I don't even if I'm the only one in the world! And I know this idea that people have about how they're something better and higher and worth so much more than other living beings is not right. I mean why exactly would it be right? Does it say somewhere? Of course people will take care of their own more than those who are different. that is a natural thing. I mean if I could only save one person and I had to decide between someone who I know and a stranger I would probably save the one who I know, everyone would do that. But not because I would think that stranger's life is worth less, of course not, I would just act selfishly and save the one who I would feel closer to. And all living beings do that. It's selfish but it's natural. But don't pretend and imagine that humans are something special and their lives are naturaly and by some universal law worth more cause they're not!!! I mean why would they be? Is there any proof for that? If human life was something special for the universe, then humans wouldn't be dying like all other living beings! But we are just the same! It's only because of selfishness why people care for other people more than for other living beings. And that's natural. But at least say it the way it is. Don't pretend it is because human life is something special in itself!!!! It's not. (at least I haven't seen any proof of it).
If I know right there were times when people thought wives were their husband's property and children their parent's property and slaves their masters property... we all know how idiotic that was.... but if you lived in those times would you think differently? I mean lookes like you wouldn't want to be the extreme minority right?
but times change ... hopefully...

Actually writing this was pretty good! I realized I don't even dislike you that much anymore   my dear   oh sorry about the smilies and my childish happiness      
No really I didn't write this to make you angry or anything I just started feeling a lot better all of a sudden when I wrote this!    

[littletune]

Oh bollocks... We eat half of the animals on this planet to survive, and I'm willing to bet they're a lot tastier than humans.

and this is supposed to be proof for humans being worth more than animals or something?    ... nope not good try again! 

[pianoplayjl]

Which would you rather - lose your sense of sight, or your sense of sound???

Sound. At least I wouldn't have a harder time playing the piano.

wyr live 25 years pain free and ever happy, or 100 years with depression and extreme pain?

JL

[mikeowski]

I wanna throw in my 2 cents!

What exactly bothers you about how I behaved...   I mean you get what you give. You said you asked the question because of what I wrote in other posts, why did you ask it then? Because you wanted to change my mind that way? what did you expect?

While I do understand that you meant, that killing a kitten and killing a human is basically the same, so saying "would you rather kill human#1 or human#2" is equal to saying "would you rather kill a human or a kitten", the way you were phrasing it made it sound more like a threat or a verbal middle finger, so obviously it was more offensive.
If you make mental steps inside your head, you have to explain them, otherwise people will misinterpret what you say. Example (the way I think you were reasoning) "He asked about killing kittens, and killing kittens is equal to killing humans. That's why it shouldn't be offensive to ask would you rather kill one human or the other. And I'll combine that with a retaliation to his provocation, so it should be: would you rather kill lost or p_pitch". You can't expect people to understand that. Especially since you added the torture bit, it really seemed more like a threat.
Bottom line, be more careful with your phrasing and what it implies and don't expect people to read your mind.
 

And I know this idea that people have about how they're something better and higher and worth so much more than other living beings is not right. I mean why exactly would it be right? Does it say somewhere? Of course people will take care of their own more than those who are different. that is a natural thing.

You are contradicting yourself here. Worth is a construct of the brain, not a natural law or something like that. So if you take more care for your own species or those who are close to you, that means, by definiton that these people or animals are worth more to you than others. Humans are worth more to humans as for example crows are worth more to crows. Any species that didn't have this mindset built into it, has died out already.

And all living beings do that. It's selfish but it's natural. But don't pretend and imagine that humans are something special and their lives are naturaly and by some universal law worth more cause they're not!!! I mean why would they be? Is there any proof for that? If human life was something special for the universe, then humans wouldn't be dying like all other living beings! But we are just the same! It's only because of selfishness why people care for other people more than for other living beings. And that's natural. But at least say it the way it is. Don't pretend it is because human life is something special in itself!!!! It's not. (at least I haven't seen any proof of it).

Same thing. Worth is based on opinion. The opinion of other living things. Because who else is there to have an opinion about somebodys worth? Nobody. The universe doesn't have a conciousness and there is no god (Spoiler alert), no karma and so on, so it really just comes down to the opinions of other animals. For me for example humans are special and worth more than other species (this is speaking in general, of course if I had a cat I would love it more than some random person on the street) because I like how you can have a conversation with them and what I think is most important: you can have sex with them. Our brains are hardwired to find humans attractive, thus we perceive them to be worth more by default.

If I know right there were times when people thought wives were their husband's property and children their parent's property and slaves their masters property... we all know how idiotic that was.... but if you lived in those times would you think differently? I mean lookes like you wouldn't want to be the extreme minority right?
but times change ... hopefully...

About the husband owning their wives, look at some videos of this woman, she raises some very good points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4 (I think this was the one)

But I agree that slavery is disgusting and it's good we got rid of it in most of the world.


Ok, more like 2 dollars...Whatever  

wyr live 25 years pain free and ever happy, or 100 years with depression and extreme pain?

JL

Definitely 25 years free.

Would you rather be ugly and marry a good looking person or be good looking and marry an ugly person?

[perfect_pitch]

Well I wasn't the one who turned it into "as if it was real thing", I actually got angry because I had a feeling Lostin... asked that question especially for me

Really? I thought he was directing it at me, because sometimes I've been a bit of a (insert random bad word here) which is fine, I took it as a joke. No offense intended, but if you're really 14, then you've got to realise that communicating through forums in a way can be stupid. Without actually hearing the person talk, or seeing their facial expressions - we can't understand the tone in which they said their statement. If you knew me, you'd know that I'd never kill anyone, nevertheless harm anyone, and yes - while I said the skinning and eating kittens thing as a joke; everything on the internet almost has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

What you DO have to realise is that there are people in this world capable of far more sadistic things than anyone on this forum. The world is full of rapists, murderers, thieves etc... and that in a forum like this - the difference between what we say and what we'd do is phenomenally huge. For some people in the world however, that difference is practically marginal at best.

and this is supposed to be proof for humans being worth more than animals or something?

Yes... We breed pigs, cows, chickens, sheep and pretty much a multitude of other animals... WHY? So we can eat them. We simply breed them for the simple pleasure at the end of cooking them up and serving them up with sauce and mashed potatoes. Although I wouldn't exactly call them expendable because we need them for our own nutrition and development of the human body, they live simply to satisfy our stomachs. Their existence is for us to gain nutrition from them - they are not equal to us. They serve a purpose for us, and therefore can't be equal.

Anyway, enough of that - back to the topic at hand.

For me for example humans are special and worth more than other species (this is speaking in general, of course if I had a cat I would love it more than some random person on the street) because I like how you can have a conversation with them and what I think is most important: you can have sex with them.

For a minute there, I had to read that twice, as I didn't see the parenthesis. It reads so much differently, if you don't treat the bracketed text as a point of it's own, instead of the latter half of the statement.

Would you rather be ugly and marry a good looking person or be good looking and marry an ugly person?

In regards to your question - personally I'd only wish for them to have a great sense of humour, but for the sake of answering the question, I know I'm not a looker - so I'd go for the marrying a good looking person.

Interesting one, considering the generation of YouTubers...

Would you rather lower your dignity and self-respect to make a video on the internet that made hundreds of millions of views and gain you mass popularity and money, or would you rather maintain your dignity but die an anonymous nobody in squalor?

[lostinidlewonder]

I actually got angry because I had a feeling Lostin... asked that question especially for me (which was obviously true as he said himself).

I didn't ask the question for you at all. In another thread it came up that humans and animals are equals, and I thought it would be an interesting question to post here. It was because of the thread that I was prompted to post it not because I wanted to ask you, I would have asked you in the other thread if it was meant for you.

It's only because of selfishness why people care for other people more than for other living beings.

Well that is your own perspective and you are welcome to it even though it is very disturbing for normal people to hear you say that. However it makes me think of this story which I read recently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153232/Raised-goats-Social-services-rescue-underweight-year-old-Russian-boy-played-slept-animals.html

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Would you rather lower your dignity and self-respect to make a video on the internet that made hundreds of millions of views and gain you mass popularity and money, or would you rather maintain your dignity but die an anonymous nobody in squalor?

I would keep my dignity.

Okay, SO...

Would you watch your parents have sex every day for the rest of your life, or participate once but never have to watch again.

[lloyd_cdb]

I would keep my dignity.

"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever."
-Napoleon

I'll let someone else answer your question since I've already done the sexual escapades with my mother question.  Ewwwww.

[littletune]

Bottom line, be more careful with your phrasing and what it implies and don't expect people to read your mind.

Maybe you should be too.  I thought the same thing as Perfect pitch about that "people cats sex" thing.  I was like  wow and he says it just like that as if it was nothing.    I mean I'm sure it is gramatically or whatever correct but you know we're not all that smart to know what you meant right away. 
I mean could you please not get stuck on words? I'm a kid and I'm not from an English speaking country of course sometimes I use the wrong words, it's possible that the word "worth" wasn't the right one, maybe the right word for what I wanted to say doesn't even exist. But if you wanted to understand what I was trying to say you could, but I see you can't cause you're minds are stuck, I guess that's normal. It's ok. I'm not angry anymore (and yes I was angry when I wrote that- I think I said that for the third time already-  so? you're never angry? you never say something that other people think you shouldn't? ), now I kinda have this: ohhh they're really stuck they can't help themselves poor things" feeling about you people.
Oh and not that I would be religious or anything but you can't say for sure that there is no god or that the uiverse is not conscious and all those other things because you do not know. you can say that that is your opinion, but you can't say this is the way it is! But you said it as if it was a proven fact. It's not.
Thanks for the videos! But do you know they're like 16 and 24 (or something like that) minutes long?  and I'm not even intersted in these husband wife feminism things, why do you think I should watch it? 

Thanks for the 2 dollars!  even though I would rather have 2 euros.  would that be ok? 

Perfect pitch... your answer about having animals for meat doesn't answer anything about who's worth more or less... it doesn't mean anything! Enslaving someone and having them for your needs doesn't make them worth less or less valuable or whatever. It says a lot more about you than about them. I know you're not serious and I know you're a j.... and you don't try to hide it and pretend to be all nicy nice and great and high... that's why I never really had a problem with you. 

Thanks Lostin... for letting me have my perspective!    that is very generous of you! And the same back... your kinda perspective is very disturbing to me but you are welcome to it too.  Thanks for the story! It's a good thing that kid at least had goats when humans failed so bad!

[outin]

Would you watch your parents have sex every day for the rest of your life, or participate once but never have to watch again.

Behave yourself, R-4! What would Val say?

It must be audition stress, but you'd better go practice to clean your mind 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Behave yourself, R-4! What would Val say?

It must be audition stress, but you'd better go practice to clean your mind 

I heard that one from a friend of mine at school hehehe...

[lostinidlewonder]

Thanks Lostin... for letting me have my perspective!    that is very generous of you! And the same back... your kinda perspective is very disturbing to me but you are welcome to it too.  

Your smiles don't hide your sense of sarcasm and frustration though. My perspective is the normal response where yours is in some fantasy fluffy animal god land. Oh and I read you are a teenager that is not a kid as you proclaim yourself to be.

Thanks for the story! It's a good thing that kid at least had goats when humans failed so bad!

And you know it is not a nursery story or a made up story, it is real life highlighting negligence, treating humans on par with animals as you so cherish foolishly.

Its because the child was with goats that the human failed so bad, your logic is failing. She treated the child on par with animals giving no more care because he was human, just like you said you would. When faced with a reality your response is purposefully ignorant to the normal human response. Fair enough, you can be as stubborn as you want even though it is so plain as day false and fake.

[littletune]

Your smiles don't hide your sense of sarcasm and frustration though. My perspective is the normal response where yours is in some fantasy fluffy animal god land. Oh and I read you are a teenager that is not a kid as you proclaim yourself to be.
And you know it is not a nursery story or a made up story, it is real life highlighting negligence, treating humans on par with animals as you so cherish foolishly.

Its because the child was with goats that the human failed so bad, your logic is failing. She treated the child on par with animals giving no more care because he was human, just like you said you would. When faced with a reality your response is purposefully ignorant to the normal human response. Fair enough, you can be as stubborn as you want even though it is so plain as day false and fake.

If you see it as sarcasm and frustration than that's ok. I'm not trying to hide anything! You can see it whatever way you want to! I'm glad you are happy with being normal. I know I am not and I never was and don't try to be! And you know what? If I want to call myself a kid then I'm gonna call myself a kid! OK? That is MY choice! I mean have you never heard people say "highschool kid"? Aren't people in high school teenagers? but they still call themselves or get called "kids". So what's with that?  why would you have a problem with me saying I'm a kid?  I don't feel anything like a teenager actually I am not at all like a normal teenager that is why I choose to say I'm a kid ok? I really don't understand why that could bother you?  and you don't need to worry so much about my fluffy fantasy land... I already know my life is not going to be easy!!!!! But I'm not gonna pretend to be something I'm not or to think something I don't just to be "normal" and so my life would be easier. I accept it the way it is. If it's gonna kill me then it's gonna kill me!

I really kinda feel sorry for you! I know what the story is! People and animals have different needs! We are not all the same, we are all different... what is good for someone can be bad for someone else. Of course the baby needs different things than a goat or even than a baby goat! But that doesn't mean goats are any less than humans. We just have different needs! False and fake?!  Look who's talking!  that is actually the thing that bothers me the most about you! Your fakeness! but who knows maybe we're both wrong about eachother.

I really tried to stop with this arguing or whatever it is, I tried to be as nice as I could and say as little as possible in my last reply so you wouldn't start with something new again. I told you already you are not going to change my mind! Unless you give me some real proof that I'm wrong. Otherwise it's just opinion. And I told you we are never going to get along and agree. Why do you even feel like you have to keep arguing and trying to change my mind (or whatever you're trying to do)... like you said most people would agree with you anyway so why do you feel you need to keep talking about it?  I am getting tired of it and I don't have so much time! I am not like you (you said lots of time how quickly you tipe and how it doesn't take you any time), I need a lot of time to write something, I am a kinda slow person I guess (you can take that and turn it into something bad if you want I don't care). But I really have enough of this! I have my opinion and as you said it's a minority opinion, I am not normal and I know my life isn't going to be easy because of it. I don't agree with you you don't agree with me. You're not going to change my mind I'm not going to change yours. But one thing I am certainly not is fake! So if it's possible you go and get lost in your idle wonder (not meant as in "get lost" angry kinda way!) and I'm gonna go play in my fantasy fluffy animal god land OK? and we'll both be happy.

[perfect_pitch]

I think the basic point is littletune... You're half my age, so basically I have a better understanding of human beings than you, only because I'm older. When you're my age, you'll have a much better understanding of the world around you, and sadly enough - what you get to know may change your perceptions on life.

I don't think it's worth arguing with you - NOT BECAUSE I don't feel your points are invalid, but basically because you don't see the world quite as clear as most adults. There's nothing wrong with that also... Sometimes having the ability to not quite see the world for what it is yet, means that the world can seem a nicer place than it really is... and sometimes, there's something lovely about having that view on the world.

[lostinidlewonder]

If you see it as sarcasm and frustration than that's ok.

It just proves that all your smiley faces and childlike behaviour is just an affront.

I'm not trying to hide anything! You can see it whatever way you want to! I'm glad you are happy with being normal. I know I am not and I never was and don't try to be!

Fine be a recluse outcast of society and be proud of it. Just don't pretend to be shocked you disagree with people and think you have to be a fake voice of justice when a kitten dies in a hypothetical.

And you know what? If I want to call myself a kid then I'm gonna call myself a kid! OK? That is MY choice!

But it is not true, a kid is a child you are not this yet you try to let people believe you are for some obscure reason, you like to hide behind a construction of innocence but really its fake.

I mean have you never heard people say "highschool kid"? Aren't people in high school teenagers? but they still call themselves or get called "kids". So what's with that?   why would you have a problem with me saying I'm a kid?  

How many times have I heard people say in your defence oh but littletune is a kid be nice, and you happily hide behind that farce.

I don't feel anything like a teenager actually I am not at all like a normal teenager that is why I choose to say I'm a kid ok?

If you want to play make believe go for it, many people do that online but its a fantasy and not real.

I really don't understand why that could bother you?

Because it is a fictional character.

and you don't need to worry so much about my fluffy fantasy land...

Then don't attempt to quote me and pretend to be so upset over what I say as if everyone else cares about your fantastic disagreement with me hypothetically murding kittens.

I already know my life is not going to be easy!!!!! But I'm not gonna pretend to be something I'm not or to think something I don't just to be "normal" and so my life would be easier. I accept it the way it is. If it's gonna kill me then it's gonna kill me!

You rather pretend to be a child and proclaim that animals deserve to be treated with as much care as humans. That is even more kookie.

I really kinda feel sorry for you!

Don't be I don't need it especially from someone that I don't know from a bar of soap.

I know what the story is! People and animals have different needs! We are not all the same, we are all different...

At least you see a difference finally.

what is good for someone can be bad for someone else. Of course the baby needs different things than a goat or even than a baby goat! But that doesn't mean goats are any less than humans. We just have different needs!

I don't think you even undertstand yourself here. We do have different needs to animals because we are so different and on a much higher level than animals in a huge amount of ways. Goats are much less than humans you have zero evidence to prove otherwise. The fact that you cants see that the story I posted highlights a horror story shows either purposeful ignorance or just plain craziness.

False and fake?!   Look who's talking!   that is actually the thing that bothers me the most about you! Your fakeness! but who knows maybe we're both wrong about eachother.

Your childish attempt to throw back everything I say to you is illogical. It is proven how fake your character littletune is because you say things like you are a kid when you are not, that you have an innocent of a child which you do not, that humans are on the same level as animals which is madness. Give evidence where I have been fake, you can't.

I really tried to stop with this arguing or whatever it is,

You didn't try to stop arguing with all your chunks of paragraphless texts.

I tried to be as nice as I could and say as little as possible in my last reply so you wouldn't start with something new again.

Torturing and murdering me is being nice? So righteous, not. You can't constant construct yourself as an innocent little girl because you are not. You can't play on adults emotions like that, it doesn't work for those who can see straight through it.

. I told you already you are not going to change my mind!

I don't aim to change anyone's minds but at least like to see their viewpoint no matter how weird they present it.

Unless you give me some real proof that I'm wrong.

See the boy raised by goats, but you seem to pretend not to see the tragity of this story.

Otherwise it's just opinion. And I told you we are never going to get along and agree. Why do you even feel like you have to keep arguing and trying to change my mind (or whatever you're trying to do)... like you said most people would agree with you anyway so why do you feel you need to keep talking about it?

This is a discussion forum and I am just responding to your after you quote me and say what you want with all your  

  I am getting tired of it and I don't have so much time! I am not like you (you said lots of time how quickly you tipe and how it doesn't take you any time), I need a lot of time to write something, I am a kinda slow person I guess (you can take that and turn it into something bad if you want I don't care).

I am not forcing you to respond you can just ignore me but it is too tempting for you to respond, that is not my fault it is your own problem.

But I really have enough of this! I have my opinion and as you said it's a minority opinion, I am not normal and I know my life isn't going to be easy because of it. I don't agree with you you don't agree with me. You're not going to change my mind I'm not going to change yours. But one thing I am certainly not is fake! So if it's possible you go and get lost in your idle wonder (not meant as in "get lost" angry kinda way!) and I'm gonna go play in my fantasy fluffy animal god land OK? and we'll both be happy.

You can see life through your very very thick rose tinted glasses, I couldnt care less, but if you quote me and pretend to be all upset over a hypothetical you really are bored and have time to waste. Don't think you can just step on people then flutter your eyes of fake innocence to get away with it.  

[lloyd_cdb]

When you're my age, you'll have a much better understanding of the world around you...

Sometimes having the ability to not quite see the world for what it is yet, means that the world can seem a nicer place than it really is...

Jaded at 28.  I instantly feel less lonely.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

What the heck how old is littletune?! 

I thought he was like in his early 20s.

[perprocrastinate]

What the heck how old is littletune?! 

I thought he was like in his early 20s.

I think she's 14.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I think she's 14.

SHE???  14???

Wow I am such a loser...

[p2u_]

You're half my age, so basically I have a better understanding of human beings than you, only because I'm older. When you're my age, you'll [...]

Ouch! This is not really an argument, perfect_pitch, but rather an all-time favorite cliché parents beat their children up with when they are out of good arguments...
P.S.: You'd better believe me BECAUSE I'm almost twice your age.

Paul

[outin]

Ouch! This is not really an argument, perfect_pitch, but rather an all-time favorite cliché parents beat their children up with when they are out of good arguments...

But isn't that one of the benefits of getting older? To be able to use the "when you get to my age" card

[p2u_]

But isn't that one of the benefits of getting older? To be able to use the "when you get to my age" card

[sarcasm]
There are many benefits to being older. For example, you can give others hypothecial choices between killing 100 kittens or one newborn human baby and get away with it because, hey, it's not real, but if little-tune gives that same hypothetical choice to a brother or sister at home, she'll most certainly get a lesson on morals and ethics, and may even get spanked...
[/sarcasm]

Paul

[outin]

Actually what always annoyed me much more was the "You will change your mind when you get older" argument, which I got a lot because of my personal life choices. I don't get that much anymore, since even an idiot can see that it's kind of getting too late for me to change my mind now 

[perfect_pitch]

Ouch! This is not really an argument, perfect_pitch, but rather an all-time favorite cliché parents beat their children up with when they are out of good arguments...
P.S.: You'd better believe me BECAUSE I'm almost twice your age.

I'll be good then... I was mainly just trying to diffuse the situation between them. Don't know if it worked though. Although I believe there was some truth to what I said... I wouldn't ever deny that you have far more experience, wisdom, and street-smarts than me simply because you're older... Am I right in saying that???

Through age comes wisdom?    

[p2u_]

Although I believe there was some truth to what I said... I wouldn't ever deny that you have far more experience, wisdom, and street-smarts than me simply because you're older... Am I right in saying that???

Through age comes wisdom?    

I don't think age and wisdom go necessarily hand in hand. This would make my mother-in-law much wiser than I am, which I know for a fact is NOT true... [That was a cruel joke; I have the best mother-in-law anyone could wish].
P.S.: It's not the amount of experience one has (age) that counts, but what one is ready to learn from it.

Paul

[perfect_pitch]

I don't think age and wisdom go necessarily hand in hand.

Okay... Maybe what I should have said is perhaps there is a strong, but not completely perfect correlation between age and wisdom.

But my point was that it was hard to take the words of a 14-year old seriously as they still have to mature mentally, and that their worldly experience is much less than someone who is older and has had much more responsibility in the world. At best, the worst thing 14-year olds have to worry about is school exams & assignments, and I wouldn't seriously argue with a 14-year old.

It seems a bit pointless...

[p2u_]

But my point was that it was hard to take the words of a 14-year old seriously as they still have to mature mentally, and that their worldly experience is much less than someone who is older and has had much more responsibility in the world. At best, the worst thing 14-year olds have to worry about is school exams & assignments, and I wouldn't seriously argue with a 14-year old.

I don't want to give you the impression that I want to teach you something (I'm actually a modest and humble person), but I hope that as soon as you become a parent, you will have changed your mind. Growing pains and raging hormones (no longer a child, still not yet an adult) make this age a very difficult transition period; most probably crucial for who the person is going to be. I think we should take these people VERY seriously, without allowing them to bully us, of course.

Paul

[perfect_pitch]

I'll take your word for it... I basically only have to deal with teenagers for half an hour a week.     

Plus, I think I've mentally repressed any memories from when I was a teenager.   

[lloyd_cdb]

Excluding the fashion and poor grammar, I try to live like I'm still a teenager. I suck at it, just like I sucked at it when I was a teenager.  Through age, nothing changes.

[littletune]

Thanks Perfect pitch and Paul! That's an ok explanation. I can accept that  I am used to people not taking me seriously (cause I'm a KID, at least that's what I think is the reason).

And Rach4ever, that has happened before, I think 2 years ago or something some guy said exactly the same as you. I guess it's just cause I'm sooooo smart!  (kidding)

No but really. I am not feeling all that well because of all of this! I do not like to argue I always feel bad after I say bad things to people. But I can't just let people accuse me of things and scare me away! I am what I am this is the way I really am! I am not writing the way I do cause I would wanna pretend something this is how I really feel. So...

This is the way it is: I am sorry for asking that question about torturing and killing. I was angry and I wanted to make people feel the way they made me feel. Because it does hurt me a lot when people talk that way about animals. I guess it's not the smartest and nicest things to do, to try to hurt people back, but that's the way I felt. And as it was just a game I thought it was ok.

Lostin... I think you better stop, because you're just showing people the side of you that you don't want them to see! I don't know why you have such a problem with me (even though you tried to pretend you didn't, but from your last post it is obvious how much anger you have towards me), maybe it's because you want so bad for people to love you and admire you and you were jelouos of me cause generaly people seemed to like me a lot. I'm sorry about that. I never wanted someone to feel bad because of me! I am not pretending to be anything. I am exactly what I really am. How I write is how I really feel. And I am a kid and there's nothing you can do about it... these things are not like some kind of a rule or a line that is the same for everyone... but I do have my age on my profile so if anyone would want to see it they could. If it would make you happy I could as well say I'm a 114 year old supercentenarian, but that doesn't really change anything about me. This is the way it is:
1. I am not pretending, don't know why I would be, Littletune is EXACLTY what I really am! It's exaclty what I feel how I think how I write and talk. I understand that not everyone likes it but this is me.
2. You are getting lost! No I don't have any proof but neither do you. It is all just opinions. Mine is a minority one, yours is the one people generaly accept. I would think you should be ok with that. Because it will never happen that all people will agree on something. So stop trying to force me to believe what you do because it won't happen! And please stop trying to find all sorts of other things that you think are wrong about me to make me feel bad.
3. I am not saying that people are bad because they care about other humans more than about animals! I already said it was completely natural and it's the way it is with all living beings. It is selfish but it is natural. I am not expecting people to start caring for animals in the same way as they do for other humans! I just don't like it when people pretend that that is because human beings are something higher and better. The way I see it they are not. You think differenty but that is only your opinion!
4. We see the world in a different way. You see it only in one dimension. So it's only higher lower, better worse, more less, for you. I see it in more dimensions and so it's not just up and down but different. Yes we are all different but that doesn't make us less and more but just different. Humans are very different too, so would that mean some are worth more and some less? No we're just different. And yes I do see that that story is horrible ok? But it does not have anything to do with what you're trying to say. If that baby was treated like a grownup it wouldn't do so well either. Human babies need to be treated like human babies, not like goat babies and not like human grownups! That is all. The problem is when people can't see what someone's needs are that is all! Nothing about humans more animals less!  And I think other people could see this too, I don't think this is just my opinion. That baby suffered because the people who should have seen what his needs were didn't see it. or didn't care. That is what the problem was. Nothing about animals and people.
5. I am generaly a very nice and caring person, I don't want to hurt anyone but when someone hurts me (or hurts someone else) I can get very angry! I never said anything really bad to you until now. I was even worried about you with that competiton thing and I didn't want it to get embarrasing for you. So could you now please stop attacking me. I apologized I explained how I feel as clearly as I could. I think it will be best for both of us (and for others) to stop with this now!

[perprocrastinate]

Would you rather kill littletune..er, just kidding.

Would you rather die of starvation or thirst?

[lostinidlewonder]

Lostin... I think you better stop, because you're just showing people the side of you that you don't want them to see!

Why don't you stop? You think you are able to speak for everyone? You are not that influential.

I don't know why you have such a problem with me (even though you tried to pretend you didn't, but from your last post it is obvious how much anger you have towards me), maybe it's because you want so bad for people to love you and admire you and you were jelouos of me cause generaly people seemed to like me a lot.

Nope

I'm sorry about that.

Who cares?

I never wanted someone to feel bad because of me!

You just want to murder and torture me without someone to feel bad right? Good on ya, this highlights your fake ability to try and look innocent all the time which you are not.

I am not pretending to be anything. I am exactly what I really am. How I write is how I really feel. And I am a kid and there's nothing you can do about it...

You are not a kid you are a 14 year old teenager. There are members who are much younger than you and legitimately are children.

If it would make you happy I could as well say I'm a 114 year old supercentenarian

That would be as believable as you calling yourself a child.

1. I am not pretending, don't know why I would be, Littletune is EXACLTY what I really am!

I guess we have to believe you. I wonder if you have animals eating with you on the dinner table, sleeping in your bed, showering with you, attending all special events in your life, having funeral services with coffin and your entire family/friends attending when a pet dies, just as equals that you so vigorously defend. You don't thus how you present yourself here in this thread is fake.

2. You are getting lost! No I don't have any proof but neither do you. It is all just opinions. Mine is a minority one, yours is the one people generaly accept.

Exactly you have no proof, yet you constantly spew out opinion that tries to speak for others, see the very first quote in this response. Every time you do that people will call you up on it, it is arrogance on your behalf and you will get it throw back in your face.

So stop trying to force me to believe what you do because it won't happen!

I have already told you I'm not here to change peoples minds, I have no idea who you are thus couldn't care less what you think about. I am just discussing the written words.

And please stop trying to find all sorts of other things that you think are wrong about me to make me feel bad.

I can't control how you feel when you read something, that is up yourself. I don't have to do anything here.

3. I am not saying that people are bad because they care about other humans more than about animals!

You did, you said they are selfish, go have a look at the past posts, I couldn't be bothered showing you the blatant truth. Do you notice how you constantly try to construct yourself as innocent? It doesn't work.

I am not expecting people to start caring for animals in the same way as they do for other humans!

Then you cannot say it is selfish, you need to learn the definition of that word.

 

I just don't like it when people pretend that that is because human beings are something higher and better.

Pretend? We are surely not pretending, I think you are pretending to be shocked that it is the truth.

The way I see it they are not. You think differenty but that is only your opinion!

Yes it is my opinion and it is the mainstream opinion of society throughout this world. Your opinion of animals vs humans is an extreme marginalized stance, which you are of course free to harbor although you must realize that because of your extreme stance you will have 99.99% of people disagreeing with you. Why do you pretend to be so surprised when people disagree with you about this and go so far to say that we are making you sad and all these other boo hoo emotions?

4. We see the world in a different way. You see it only in one dimension.

We? You are trying to make it look like that the majority of people are on your side which is not the truth. Almost everyone in this world will admit that animals are worthless compared to humans. You don't even understand what you say when you say "one dimension" either, just learning to use terms are we?

So it's only higher lower, better worse, more less, for you. I see it in more dimensions and so it's not just up and down but different. Yes we are all different but that doesn't make us less and more but just different.

This is what we call being evasive and also what we call "fence sitting". You don't want to have an opinion and just use the obscure undefined word "different". You don't even understand the definition of different, if you started to define it you would realize that animals are worthless compared to humans.

Humans are very different too, so would that mean some are worth more and some less?

This is illogical because you are comparing apples to apples. When you compare animals to humans you are comparing two totally different things.

And yes I do see that that story is horrible ok? But it does not have anything to do with what you're trying to say.

It clearly shows what it is like when you treat a child just like you would treat an animal. It should shock you. But you still resist believing what it is trying to show, that animals do not need as much care as humans. It is NOT selfish as you say to treat animals with less care than we do humans and this story I posted clearly highlights this. Yet you still cannot make that connection.

If that baby was treated like a grownup it wouldn't do so well either.

Illogical and saying nothing.

Human babies need to be treated like human babies, not like goat babies and not like human grownups!

This is illogical. You are trying to compare raising a human baby with a baby goat and an adult human. You should remove "human grownups" from your sentence because it is meaningless.

The problem is when people can't see what someone's needs are that is all! Nothing about humans more animals less!  

Illogical conclusion.

That baby suffered because the people who should have seen what his needs were didn't see it. or didn't care. That is what the problem was. Nothing about animals and people.

Illogical conclusion.

5. I am generaly a very nice and caring person, I don't want to hurt anyone but when someone hurts me (or hurts someone else) I can get very angry! I never said anything really bad to you until now.

You get hurt on a thread discussing hypothetical? Goodness me why don't you see perfectpitch's comment at the top of this page. Why are you trying to construct yourself as a victim?

You tend to argue with me when it is about animals. I can recall our last discussion about cats:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=38569.0  You chucked a hissy fit but at least didn't go about trying to quote me, nowadays you are more bold. Although this quote from you in that thread shows how irrational you can be:
"some people are really stupid and selfish and i hate them! and i wish they would just die so the world would be better!"
And this all came from talking about cats mind you. LOL. So it is a LIE that you said you NEVER said anything bad in the past. It is obvious your response in that past thread was to me.

I was even worried about you with that competiton thing and I didn't want it to get embarrasing for you. So could you now please stop attacking me. I apologized I explained how I feel as clearly as I could. I think it will be best for both of us (and for others) to stop with this now!

Embarrassed? lol! I can type without my clothing on in this forum if I wanted to.
If you are talking about the deleted entry I know all about it, it was an improvement no matter what stories came up to remove it. I am not attacking you, if I was attacking you it would be a lot more nasty and I wouldn't be bothered reading and quoting what I disagree with. Disagreeing with someone is not hating and attacking them, you need to learn this. Maybe I should I retracted my congratulations to EVERYONE that I wrote in the competition? Someone has to come last, it just happened to be you, don't feel bad, if you do then don't enter competitions in the future.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Would you rather kill littletune..er, just kidding.

Would you rather die of starvation or thirst?

Starvation

Would you rather have your head two times larger, or two times smaller?

[jollisg]

If my brain capacity were the same, i would rather have it smaller. If i would have more brain capacity with a larger head, i would like that

Would you rather study cosmology (universe as a whole) or infinity in a mathematical sense?

[outin]

Would you rather study cosmology (universe as a whole) or infinity in a mathematical sense?

Cosmology of course!

Would you rather loose your left or your right hand?

[ruvidoetostinato]

I would rather lose my right hand.  I'm not important enough to have right hand compositions written for me.

Would you rather lose your middle finger or your thumb?

[littletune]

Why don't you stop? You think you are able to speak for everyone? You are not that influential.

Nope
Who cares?
You just want to murder and torture me without someone to feel bad right? Good on ya, this highlights your fake ability to try and look innocent all the time which you are not.
You are not a kid you are a 14 year old teenager. There are members who are much younger than you and legitimately are children.
That would be as believable as you calling yourself a child.
I guess we have to believe you. I wonder if you have animals eating with you on the dinner table, sleeping in your bed, showering with you, attending all special events in your life, having funeral services with coffin and your entire family/friends attending when a pet dies, just as equals that you so vigorously defend. You don't thus how you present yourself here in this thread is fake.
Exactly you have no proof, yet you constantly spew out opinion that tries to speak for others, see the very first quote in this response. Every time you do that people will call you up on it, it is arrogance on your behalf and you will get it throw back in your face.
I have already told you I'm not here to change peoples minds, I have no idea who you are thus couldn't care less what you think about. I am just discussing the written words.
I can't control how you feel when you read something, that is up yourself. I don't have to do anything here.
You did, you said they are selfish, go have a look at the past posts, I couldn't be bothered showing you the blatant truth. Do you notice how you constantly try to construct yourself as innocent? It doesn't work.
Then you cannot say it is selfish, you need to learn the definition of that word.

 Pretend? We are surely not pretending, I think you are pretending to be shocked that it is the truth.
Yes it is my opinion and it is the mainstream opinion of society throughout this world. Your opinion of animals vs humans is an extreme marginalized stance, which you are of course free to harbor although you must realize that because of your extreme stance you will have 99.99% of people disagreeing with you. Why do you pretend to be so surprised when people disagree with you about this and go so far to say that we are making you sad and all these other boo hoo emotions?
We? You are trying to make it look like that the majority of people are on your side which is not the truth. Almost everyone in this world will admit that animals are worthless compared to humans. You don't even understand what you say when you say "one dimension" either, just learning to use terms are we?
This is what we call being evasive and also what we call "fence sitting". You don't want to have an opinion and just use the obscure undefined word "different". You don't even understand the definition of different, if you started to define it you would realize that animals are worthless compared to humans.
This is illogical because you are comparing apples to apples. When you compare animals to humans you are comparing two totally different things.
It clearly shows what it is like when you treat a child just like you would treat an animal. It should shock you. But you still resist believing what it is trying to show, that animals do not need as much care as humans. It is NOT selfish as you say to treat animals with less care than we do humans and this story I posted clearly highlights this. Yet you still cannot make that connection.
Illogical and saying nothing.
This is illogical. You are trying to compare raising a human baby with a baby goat and an adult human. You should remove "human grownups" from your sentence because it is meaningless.
Illogical conclusion.
Illogical conclusion.
You get hurt on a thread discussing hypothetical? Goodness me why don't you see perfectpitch's comment at the top of this page. Why are you trying to construct yourself as a victim?

You tend to argue with me when it is about animals. I can recall our last discussion about cats:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=38569.0  You chucked a hissy fit but at least didn't go about trying to quote me, nowadays you are more bold. Although this quote from you in that thread shows how irrational you can be:
"some people are really stupid and selfish and i hate them! and i wish they would just die so the world would be better!"
And this all came from talking about cats mind you. LOL. So it is a lie that you said you NEVER said anything bad in the past. It is obvious your response in that past thread was to me.

Embarrassed? lol! I can type without my clothing on in this forum if I wanted to.
I am not attacking you, if I was attacking you it would be a lot more nasty and I wouldn't be bothered reading and quoting what I disagree with. Disagreeing with someone is not hating and attacking them, you need to learn this. Maybe I should I retracted my congratulations to EVERYONE that I wrote in the competition? Someone has to come last, it just happened to be you, don't feel bad, if you do then don't enter competitions in the future.

I can't even read everything you wrote cause it's so boring and you keep repeating yourself, I can see how desperate you are and try to find every little thing to keep arguing! It is a waste of time to argue with someone like you who just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again. It sounds really stupid to me! Maybe other people don't think that but I sure do! I see how tiny and closed your mind is! But don't worry probaby it's just me who sees that.   
and yes my animals are treated as family members, they can eat with us at the table if they want to but they usually rather choose to eat in the way that is more comfortable for them since they are build differently than humans, I don't shower with them because I don't shower with other people either, but I do shower them in our bathtub, they do sleep in my bed except the ones who are too little and could get hurt. We do celebrate their birthdays (they get cake and presents), and we say goodby to them and bury them when they die and we light candles for them and all. I know your small mind can't understand that, but that's the way it is!

Your "that's illogical responses" don't mean ANYTHING! If you don't have a proof and can't even explain why it would be illogical it's just your opinion. And repeating the same things over and over again it's not gonna make them more real!
I won't be repeating myself like you so I'm not gonna try to explain how "different" and "more, less" is not the same thing.
If you haven't noticed I did apologize but I guess that doesn't mean anything to you because you can't forgive even though in the competition thread you were saying some big words about forgiveness and all. Oh and I see you found that thread yes, I remember it too, but do you know that was over 2 years ago, so even in your opinion I would have been a child then, or do you have some other rule for that too? Not that that matters, just saying cause you get so stuck on these things. I'm sure I would say the same thing now! And I didn't say it to you, I remember I was talking in general, if you saw yourself in that that is your problem! And why are you surprised when I say I was hurt about the hypothetical question, but you keep repeating what I said in every post? if it was hypothetical it was as hypothetical for me as it was for you.
And I AM going to call myself a kid if you like it or not!
I don't know if there's something else I should answer cause everything you say is so completely ridiculous anyway.
Oh about the competition. No that is not what I was talking about! (but I'm sure your opinion on my performance was VERY influenced with your anger towards me, I knew it would be from the moment you said you were going to be the judge), but that doesn't matter at all! What I was talking about was something which was supposed to be a joke but it seemed like you didn't get that and then people started asking what was with that and I thought that it could get embarrasing for you so I told AJ about it. I didn't really know why I was worrying about you but that is the way I am, even if I dislike someone I don't want them to get hurt. You know what you do is more important than what you say! I may sometimes say something bad that seems like I could be a violent person, but what I do for real is what matters! You can come to Slovenia if you want and go ask people who know me if I ever did anything bad to them.

You know what? I forgive you. I know you can't help yourself if your mind is so small and stuck. Your way of looking at things is just as valid as mine. We don't agree and I would rather be dead than live in a world full of people like you but I'm sure you feel the same.
I will try to stop with this stupid thing. If an adult like you is not smart enough to stop (like Perfect pitch for example) then it's maybe time for a kid (or as you want it a teenager) to be smarter. I am not promissing anything but I will try, cause this is not even good for my health! And for my school things! But if you say things that I feel I need to answer Like that thing about what my animals do (since it seemed so impossible to you and you were just so sure my animals don't do that) I want to answer to tell you how wrong you can be.
And just for the last time: my opinion is that animals are no less than humans, but I understand why people take care of their own more than of other species, that is natural and all animals act in the same way (most of the time), it is selfish, just like it's selfish that people take care of people in their family more than about others. And so some have so much money they don't know what to do with it and some have nothing. But that is the way it is. Usually people and other living beings first take care of themselves and their own and then others. Sometimes that is not even so bad since if you don't take care of yourself you can't really take care of anyone else, but sometimes it becomes too much. That is MY opinion. You have yours and I'm sure by now we all know what it is, so you don't need to keep repeating it!

[lostinidlewonder]

I can't even read everything you wrote cause it's so boring and you keep repeating yourself, I can see how desperate you are and try to find every little thing to keep arguing! It is a waste of time to argue with someone like you who just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again.

Ironically in your opening 2 sentences you have repeated yourself even, sounds like you are a bit of a hypocrite. Oh well I don't like talking to hypocrites I better ignore the rest of what you wrote..

I like this video which I saw today on TV.

[outin]

I would rather lose my right hand.  I'm not important enough to have right hand compositions written for me.

Me too, but mainly because my left is better and I prefer the lower registry on the piano anyway...

Would you rather lose your middle finger or your thumb?

My disfigured thumb of course! Then I would be free not to play with it at all 

If you had to choose between having a completely frozen stiff wrist or a completely frozen straight  elbow, which would it be?

[littletune]

Yes Lostin... that's exactly what people like you do when they run out of arguments and they don't know what else to say!   Well since you probably don't see yourself as a hypocrite then I'm sure glad you see me as one!   Goodbye!

[lostinidlewonder]

Yes Lostin... that's exactly what people like you do when they run out of arguments and they don't know what else to say!   Well since you probably don't see yourself as a hypocrite then I'm sure glad you see me as one!   Goodbye!

Oh no I certainly could quote you again line by line but you are not worth the attention (since you are an attention seeker), I have already pointed out how moronic your ideas are. I am glad you spewed out all your ranting texts, it clearly portrays the type of person you are when faced with someone who disagrees with you. Miss Smiley face actually has a very dark side lo0o0o0l

Yeah and not to forget, arguing with you is like trying to win the Special Olympics, there really is no sense of victory defeating you.

[j_menz]

[pianoplayjl]

If you had to choose between having a completely frozen stiff wrist or a completely frozen straight  elbow, which would it be?

frozen elbow.

WYR win $100,000 for sure, or have a 50% chance of winning 10 billion dollars?

[lostinidlewonder]

It is much easier to go straight to the bottom option I think, especially when you are dealing with people with an IQ much lower than your own.