I know you don't care. Everybody knows that already from other "discussions", so not need to emphasize that here. I merely stepped in because our valued American members deserve a bit more than just "sh*t" thrown around, but you don't seem to care about that either.P.S.: The unseen heights in retrocognition reached by some authors in your sources are nothing less than impressive. This topic, however, does not belong here. You have done yourself and the communtiy a great disservice by creating it and yes, I know you don't care about that either...Paul
Ah yes, we now change the subject but still focus on the same target, the USA.
off topic rant about being insulted, feel free to skip to the next quote which is on topic/
Just putting a blue box to give a break in my essay where my comments are actually on the original topic.
You cannot teach the mass how to read/write with a particular method, everyone will read/write in their own way and make their own conclusions. If one insists that others read/write in a particular way those others might actually tell you to bugger off and let them do what they like. It is totally fine to read/write different from someone else, there does not need to be a single way. That doesn't mean one is better than the other or anything else.https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=41550.0
P.S.: The 9/11 Conspiracy guys from the sources quoted earlier either lie bluntly or are completely retarded. Some even go as far as stating that nothing happened at all on 911 - no planes, no victims, nothing.
When you dig deeper, you even find that some of those who deny 911 also deny the Holocaust. I don't like the smell of it, that's for sure...
Beyond oxy's comment, people seem to be blind to how history has unfolded. For the first 150 years of their existence the USA had an isolationist policy and stayed out of world politics. They only got involved after 2 world wars and the utter destruction of all of Europe caused by European hatred. Let's take a look at the history of international cooperation:The League of Nations was originally proposed by Woodrow Wilson. For those who may not know, he was the president of the USA during WWI. When this failed to the keep the European powers from destroying each other, the UN was proposed by Franklin Roosevelt in 1942 and held a meeting in Washington, DC between the major Allied powers. The UN was subsequently signed by the 50 member states in 1945 in San Francisco.During WWI and WWII, 77 million people lost their lives. After the US began its involvement in world policy and most specifically human rights, the death toll has been less than 4m. The US has regularly been involved in preventing human rights violations and genocide, often times while the UN and European countries have stood idly by. None of this means I agree with every US policy or believe it justifies it. But the ridiculousness of many criticisms is just over the top and often times even childish. It's incredibly easy to criticize from the sidelines. It's much harder to actually act.
I'm not exactly sure what it is anyone would be hoping to find out by taking a look at some hot steel or crumbled concrete. Engineers determined how and why it collapsed and provided the physics behind it. Fact is, they DID investigate it (see below). Again, maybe I'm just failing to understand what evidence it is that you are seeking unless it's just to confirm your viewpoint.Quote from ISRI, government certified steel recycling institute promoting ethical business practices:"Most of the recyclable metal at ground zero is being sent to the Fresh Kills Landfill on Staten Island where law enforcement authorities survey the material for evidence. Only then is it released to a scrap processor under an existing long-term contract with the New York City Department of Sanitation to purchase and then recycle scrap metal...ISRI has issued an urgent notice to its members in the New York City metropolitan area, which explains that all scrap metal from the World Trade Center is crime scene evidence, and only those under contract with the City are authorized to haul it away from the site. The notice also explains where the various types of metals are going. ISRI is also telling its members in the New York City area, who do not have contracts with the City to recycle metal from the World Trade Center, to contact law enforcement authorities immediately should they suspect that material hauled to their facilities originates from that site. "This is part of ISRI members continuing efforts to work with law enforcement agencies to make certain that recyclable materials are properly handled," said Wiener. "In regards to the comment "most of the metal is being sent to...", this means the majority of the material is sent to that specific recycler, not that only part of it is investigated.Uninvestigated and rapidly recycled? I'm not sure why I bother repeating this, but... Researching before making statements provides for an intelligent discussion.
In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection.
Well it is good to see different opinions, thanks!The Pentagon is well defended with missile defense systems. However even with this elaborate defense system they failed to stop being attacked on 911. Why is this?https://www.wanttoknow.info/911/9-11_pentagon_missile_defenseIs it because they wanted to allow themselves to be attacked? It certainly can look this way. At least they let the flying projectile hit a part of the Pentagon which was mostly empty.
that 4m you claim barely covers the casualties in the two wars that the US itself fought in Asia after WWII (and doesn't include the 2m slaughtered in the Cambodian genocide, which the US didn't lift so much as a finger to prevent, though I suppose that's understandable given the political situation in America after the Vietnam debacle).
wars against impoverished people by psychopathic dictators funded and armed by the United States, with some of the dictators, as in Guatemala and Chile, actually put in place by the US after the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government.
It really is one of those tragic ironies of history... people desperate for freedom and human rights first turned to the US for assistance against the monsters... and were refused outright
Over a million people were killed in the Iran-Iraq War, in many cases by weapons provided to the maniacs there by the US...
You have also ignored the carnage in Africa as the various nations began overthrowing colonial and other oppressive regimes beginning in the '50's...
If anyone in America thought/thinks that they were/are harmed by any event they will sue to collect monetary damages, if there is any money to collect. While this system becomes a pain on certain occasions it also serves as a check on whether there is anyone to blame.
Plus we know real soon when a new medicine causes harm. I specify generics because all the problems have been ironed out. Even better are ones that are now available over the counter.Some major clinics only write generics. It may not be cutting edge but you'll survive the treatment...
What most people outside the US do not realize is that our legal system is different, really different than any other. (One of the big mistakes we make when traveling outside the US is to assume that other countries are the same. They aren't!)If anyone in America thought/thinks that they were/are harmed by any event they will sue to collect monetary damages, if there is any money to collect. While this system becomes a pain on certain occasions it also serves as a check on whether there is anyone to blame. In the case of 911 no one has sued anyone..."The burden of proof always falls upon the moving party."
As to many of the other comments... the engineering analysis of the failure of the twin towers, which I have read and which I am qualified to read and understand, is perhaps the most thorough analysis of a structural failure as I have ever seen. There was nothing found to suggest that the collapse was the result of anything other than fuel fed fires of large intensity affecting the structural strength of columns in their vicinity. Period. I strongly recommend that you read the original report -- it is very long and very technical -- rather than depending on somewhat dubious internet and media sources.
US was involved in Africa only with Liberia for 25 years while assisting African American slaves repatriate. It transitioned intentionally and peacefully to an independent democratic government that lasted until 1980 years.This is exactly one of my points about ridiculous hypocrisy. USA wasn't involved in African colonialism. Is it our job to clean up after the mess other countries leave behind? Obviously if a European country decides to ignore their own mess that then leads to genocide, it becomes another 'opportunity' for the US to involve themselves. Any European critic of this is therefore ignoring their own responsibility and involvement. As an American, the hypocrisy is simply insulting. This is where I start to get heated and start to respond in frustration with "pull your head out of your ass".
People think they're free but if people were dissatisfied enough to try and overthrow the government they'd call in the army and carpet bomb all of them to hell.
Is this proof Osama bin Laden died back in 2001?[...]His confession to 911 attack is a fake used to fool Americans?
How is anti-US biased propaganda for sheeple going to help us in our objective judgement? The first site suggests the White House KNEW ALL ALONG Osama was no longer alive, but still kept "hunting" him "down" just for show. But I remember it was the Taliban coming out with statements all the time that he was "alive and well" (in 2004, 2005, 2007 among others). What are you trying to say? Also: Who exactly "fooled the Americans" when the second site concludes that the tape must have been legitimate, and supports that thought by citing a conversation between Al Jazeera London bureau chief Yosri Fouda and TBS Publisher and Senior Editor S. Abdallah Schleifer?EDIT: I would also like to take this opportunity to refer you to the forum rules. Exercising your freedom of speech is OK, but thereby systematically insulting members of one Nation with misrepresentations (your cited data do not add up in the context of the whole picture) before an international audience is no longer acceptable. Besides, the picture you added (tinypic.com/b5lc8k.jpg) has no function in the discussion. It is not funny and the content seems to have no other purpose than to deeply offend certain forum members that do not share your views.Paul
I'm sorry to say that this is the life of Americans visiting abroad. As soon as we sit down to ahve a drink, someone will come up to us and start on some subject with statements based on similar sources to what we have seen here.I know a lot about the dark underbelly of many countries, especially those I visit regularly. I have those questions ready to counter any attacks.
I lived in London for 6 months. My first week I was staying at an upscale hotel and got screamed at in the hotel bar by an Irish man talking about Bush and Americans destroying the world. It's not even limited to the dark underbelly.LIW, how about you just post every conspiracy ever created about the USA so we can just get them out of the way, instead of insinuating each one is related and gives prooof of the last one. It's funny that the presentation order can end up indicating different outcomes. Not sure if you just google 'American Conspiracy' right after people point out the terrible sources you are using.
What the US military are doing in Pakistan is quite confronting. Does this make the line as to who exactly is the terrorist blurred?
Think that it is just conspiracy theorist who believe 911 is a cover up? Think again. Even former director of the FBI Louis Freeh believes that the 911 commission was a cover up. https://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml
A professional and respected architects perspective (as well as 700 other architects and engineers) who supports that the trade centers where brought down by controlled demolition. youtube.com/watch?v=8INe7K9org4debunking911.com/thermite.htmpresstv.com/detail/190668.html
The case will be heard in a UK court? In a kingdom operating without a written constitution!So, how does one become a judge in the UK?
Many important people who disagree with the official story of 911.
Why was Norman Mineta’s testimony about Cheney’s response to the approach of the aircraft discounted in the 9/11 Commission report? This is a great example that shows the US authorities were aware of an attack.https://www.911myths.com/index.php/Norman_Mineta
Some history of false flag activities. https://www.bollyn.com/america-the-target-9-11-and-the-history-of-false-flag-terrorismPrior warnings? Could it have been stopped?https://www.indexoftheweb.com/911.htm
I am bring it up because the information now is as clear as ever. The misinformation spread is being revealed and the truths are standing stronger and stronger. The amount of high profile people who disagree with the 911 commission is very disturbing. The smoke has cleared, the bullshit is losing its power very fast thanks to the Internet.
The White House Chief of Staff "walked away from Bush immediately" after informing him that the nation was under attack, without waiting for any response from the Commander in Chief of the U.S. military. How did he know that the Commander would decide not to respond in any way to prevent further planes from crashing into buildings, but instead would continue reading a childrens book? Do you remember that image of Bush reading to the children after getting that whisper in his ear of the 911 attack? Isn't that a very strange reaction?
What about the children who's father or mother, uncle or aunt, grandfather or grandmother, cousin or friend of the family etc etc were about to die on that very day?
This is also an excellent read for gaining perspectives from high ranking officials.Current and former high-level U.S. officials have recently and publicly stated that the 9/11 attack was not as it seemed.https://911proof.com/7.html