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Offline yubyub96

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Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
on: February 20, 2013, 10:37:26 PM
Hello everyone, I'm new to this place so pardon any mistake i may make, just point it out and I'll fix it

This is my performance i made on december 2012, i have improved the performance a lot since, but i want to know what you guys think, its not the full version of the Etude, im working on the full version right now.Another extra question, what level of piano do you think i have? i have played: this, Massenet Aragonaise,Brahms Hungarian dances, this ones are easier but still: Yann tiersen L'absente, Valse D'amelie.

My performance:


I plan to make another recording of the improved piece, if i do, do i have to make another topic, or can i put it in here?
I don't know much about criticizing music, I have played for 6 years now and I'm trying to write music and improve as much as i can my performance.

Offline j_menz

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 02:41:00 AM
Well, it needs a lot of work, to be frank. That also makes it difficult to give any pointers as you say you have done a lot of work on it since then. It would be more useful to have something that shows where you currently are at.

That said, you need to iron out the wrong notes, the timing problems and bering out the melody line more.

To that end, slow it right down, play more softly and take your foot of the pedal.  When you can do it like that withoput wrong notes, with accurate timeing, and with a legato touch on the melody, you can start adding speed and pedal.
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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 04:30:35 AM
Well, it needs a lot of work, to be frank. That also makes it difficult to give any pointers as you say you have done a lot of work on it since then. It would be more useful to have something that shows where you currently are at.

That said, you need to iron out the wrong notes, the timing problems and bering out the melody line more.

To that end, slow it right down, play more softly and take your foot of the pedal.  When you can do it like that withoput wrong notes, with accurate timeing, and with a legato touch on the melody, you can start adding speed and pedal.
Thanks a lot for your reply!
I have fixed all the mistakes, sometimes I make some in the escalating part(don't know the technical name) I will post a new version soon, just have to get time to record it.
I don't know much about criticizing music, I have played for 6 years now and I'm trying to write music and improve as much as i can my performance.

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 04:45:24 AM
the bravura section?
"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 02:58:38 AM
the bravura section?
??? im not familiar with the bravura section, what do you mean?
I don't know much about criticizing music, I have played for 6 years now and I'm trying to write music and improve as much as i can my performance.

Offline ajspiano

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 03:10:01 AM
??? im not familiar with the bravura section, what do you mean?

I suspect that chopin2015 means the section marked con bravura.

beginning last line of page 2
https://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/a/a2/IMSLP00307-Chopin_-_OP10_3.PDF

or just the whole middle section..

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 03:55:00 AM
I suspect that chopin2015 means the section marked con bravura.

beginning last line of page 2
https://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/a/a2/IMSLP00307-Chopin_-_OP10_3.PDF

or just the whole middle section..

Siiii!

"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
I'm working on that part, i played an arrangement without that part because i didn't had time, but now that i have I'm learning the complete Étude.
I don't know much about criticizing music, I have played for 6 years now and I'm trying to write music and improve as much as i can my performance.

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 04:56:42 AM
cool, have fun! it's quite annoying to practice.
"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 05:04:57 AM
i played an arrangement without that part .... but now that i have I'm learning the complete Étude.

Which I believe you stated in your original post. People really should read those things.

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 05:09:34 AM
so tell me a little about how you are going to approach the middle section? it is not that difficult. the notes are the same in both hands. It isn't that complex of a harmony...I'm working on this etude as well. Once you learn the notes for that middle section, you can start working on your precision of execution and tempo...If you have questions, I am sure there are folks on here that have played it with success.
"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 05:11:28 AM
Which I believe you stated in your original post. People really should read those things.

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I read the post just fine, I was clarifying OP's confusion as to what the bravura section was.

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
so tell me a little about how you are going to approach the middle section? it is not that difficult. the notes are the same in both hands. It isn't that complex of a harmony...I'm working on this etude as well. Once you learn the notes for that middle section, you can start working on your precision of execution and tempo...If you have questions, I am sure there are folks on here that have played it with success.
Well I have a piano teacher who helps me.I think I will approach like I usually do, i first learn both hands without trying to play both together, then i start to join them, first very slow till I'm sure about it.
I'm not sure if this method will work, I have never used on such a complex piece, and it's not very detailed too.
If you have another method would you mind to share it?
I don't know much about criticizing music, I have played for 6 years now and I'm trying to write music and improve as much as i can my performance.

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Re: Chopin etude op10 no3 Trisstese
Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 09:18:57 PM
I play both hands at the same time, since theyre the same notes and rhythm, then do hands separate. Just sit down one day and start with that section and work on it for a while.
"Beethoven wrote in three flats a lot. That's because he moved twice."
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