sleep over effect

[BoliverAllmon]

I had my first lesson with my new teacher Friday. He talked to me about what he calls sleep over effect. It sounded alot like Chang's description of PPI. My teacher says that you will only get a good sleep over effect on a certain amount of music. Therefore you shouldn't just attempt to learn 100 plus measures a day. He talks about not stopping playing a section until it is mastered, therefore he advocates maybe 4 measures a day per piece (give or take of course). he says when you think about it this way you can have most pieces mastered in around a month or so.

what would you consider a good amount?

[mound]

Your teacher sounds very wise.. Bernhard has written at great length about methods  of practice that take advantage of this! Search around, lots of great stuff.. Bernhard will probably reply with a long list of posts and one-liners describing their focus, he's been doing alot of that lately in response to folks questions.  enjoy!

-paul

[BoliverAllmon]

yeah he is wise. he says that when he gives master classes he has to spend most of the time teaching the student's how to practice. he says very few people know how to do it.

boliver

[Spatula]

holy cow that totally worked for me before!

CC's PPI method and your teachers sleeping time next day practice method actually worked because I remember one time doing a beethoven sonata, and I was slow practicing a passage which was hard to come by, by I gave it a rest and next day, my fingers seemed to know where they were going.  of course finger memory by itself is not sufficient, but I knew that I had improved!

Now imagine that over a month! 

[BoliverAllmon]

yeah it is something. and it is easier to see your progress using his methods. I write down which passages I mastered that day and with what tempo. Therefore in a week or so I can look back and see how far I had come.

[bernhard]

Have a look here:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3625.msg32673.html#msg32673
(PPI – comparison with body building – brief mention of movement and intellectual centre – comparison with babies walking and coma patients- muscle tension and nerve inhibition – how to investigate and test practice ideas – How to teach by using progressively difficult repertory)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4059.msg37072.html#msg37072
(Does there come a time when piano learning will not be so difficult – The problem: a good teacher, enough practice and yet very slow progress – approach maybe everything: practice to make it easy. Guardian link to Alan Rustrbridge article –  summary of PPI)

Best wishes,
Bernhard