Subliminal Messages?

[Spatula]

how do these messages work?  I know we aren't supposed to be aware that we are receiving any thing...

show me some pics (not nasty or disturbing) and maybe I'll get it and post the URL.

I was studying this in marketing class and ethics in advertising.

[Tash]

what on earth are you talking about?

[Nightscape]

Subliminal messages occur all the time, especially in movies, popular music, etc.
Take the movie "I,Robot" for example.  During the first 15 minutes or so of the movie, you are exposed to about 10 different products that can be bought in a store near you.  That's the work of the advertising industry - they pay movie makers and songwriters to include references to their products in the hope that it will send an unconsious message to the viewer/listener, and will go out and buy their product.

It's really very sad, and kind of evil if you think about it.  And certainly deceptive.

[donjuan]

I remember reading about how Coca Cola did it.  During the previews of movies at the theatre, they would flash on a picture of a coke bottle.  It happens so fast you arent aware of it, however, it works on the subconscious to make you want a coke.  I dont think its evil or unethical.  I see it as a brilliant, shrewd business move.  But then again, Im about as right wing as you can get, without being Hitler, of course 
donjuan

[allchopin]

Below everything is
a subliminal message,
cause humans are
highly psychodynamic creatures

Still, however the
underlying messages of
Coca-Cola etc. are to
keep the public
subconsciously aware of their products.

[Antnee]

I tried to do a science experiment on this back in ninth grade. I wanted to see if it really had any effects on us. They shot it down. I'm really not sure why.
The most common subliminal messages are visual and also by audio. There are many in pictures and films as well as sound. Yes, Donjuan is right. I believe it was documented that Coke did this back in the forties or fifties or something like that. In between other commercial ads, a single frame showing a coke bottle and some popcorn or something similar, flashed. It only lasted for something like 1/26 of a second so you couldn't notice it on a consious level, but it is believed by some that it affected those who saw it on a subconcious level. I also beleive Coke saw sales increase while they did that. Here is a website that has a lot of creepy subliminal stuff. Like stuff hidden is disney movies.
 
They weren't all cute and innocent...

             https://johnw.host.sk/articles/freemasons/subliminal_messages.htm

-Tony-

[Spatula]

I'm scared

[DarkWind]

Subliminal messaging doesn't have much proof that it really works. In fact, I remember reading that some doctor decided to flash an advertisment for some product, a millisecond so it was unnoticable, during a movie, to see what would happen. He recorded that sales highly increased afterwards. Then, decades later, he was in a lawsuit for the incident, and then, it turns out he never tried the experiment out at all, and even though the results were published to the public, they were fake. Everyone started getting hyped about subliminal messages, yet the original was nothing but a fake. I'm not sure if I quoted perfectly, but I can tell you it went something like that.

[donjuan]

haha thanks for the link, tony.  Im gonna go watch the "Rescuers down under" again now! haha
donjuan

[Spatula]

Well that's 1 frame out of 160,000 some frames..at least you know where abouts it is 

[donjuan]

yeah, I do!! Its when Wilbur is taking off from his bunker...
im gonna find it now!
haha

[Nightscape]

Is that from "The Rescuers"  or "The Rescuers Down Under"?  They are two different movies, released in different decades.

[Spatula]

Its the one with the seagull...thats the downunder one i think.

[Spatula]

SEX!

DO IT FOR THE KIDS! 

[Tash]

erm ok.....

oh yeah i know what you're talking about. like in clueless when there's the starbucks cofee cup on her desk we had a great discussion about that in english

[squinchy]

I read a psychology book by Morton Hunt, and it said that Subliminal Messages don't work, or that all studies that proved that it did work were flawed.

[piano_learner]

erm ok.....

oh yeah i know what you're talking about. like in clueless when there's the starbucks cofee cup on her desk we had a great discussion about that in english

I don't think this is technically Subliminal advertising. It is product placement and completely legal. Companies pay huge sums of money to have their products appear in a movie. One company that got "Free advertising" was Qantas airways in the movie 'Rainman' with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise.

Subliminal Advertising or Subliminal cuts is illegal and (as someone mentioned), involves splicing images of products into a movie so that only a few frames are flashed without the viewer being aware.

[donjuan]

One company that got "Free advertising" was Qantas airways in the movie 'Rainman' with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise.

Quantas - never crashed! nyahh!!! eeahhhghh!! quantas - never crashed!! American airlines crashed september 4, 1964....quantas, never crashed nnnyyaahh!!...

[Spatula]

One company that got "Free advertising" was Qantas airways in the movie 'Rainman' with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise.

Quantas - never crashed! nyahh!!! eeahhhghh!! quantas - never crashed!! American airlines crashed september 4, 1964....quantas, never crashed nnnyyaahh!!...

Unless some firms WANT their company in a movie..

thinking about the movie cast away...no wonder that's where my goods ended up when I couriered my stuff with FEDEX!  I'm FED UP! 

[Tash]

ooooooooooooh ok i think i'll just shutup now.

go qantus!!! oh and be aware donjuan that there is no 'u' in 'qantus'. hmm don't think that's very up to date though, cos qantus crashed a few yeasr ago didn't it?

[piano_learner]

QANTAS- The final word.

It is an acronym and there is NO 'U' anywhere in its name.

*Q*ueensland *A*nd *N*orthern *T*erritory *A*erial *S*ervices Ltd (QANTAS)

As far as I know they still have a crash free record.

[Tash]

yeah i knew it stood for something but couldn't remember what

really oh i thought they crashed somewhere back in the lat 1990's or maybe i'm thinking of another plane

[Spatula]

QANTAS- The final word.

It is an acronym and there is NO 'U' anywhere in its name.

*Q*ueensland *A*nd *N*orthern *T*erritory *A*erial *S*ervices Ltd (QANTAS)

As far as I know they still have a crash free record.

Interesting they still do international flights

[Saturn]

I read a psychology book by Morton Hunt, and it said that Subliminal Messages don't work, or that all studies that proved that it did work were flawed.

True.  Confirmed here also:

https://www.snopes.com/business/hidden/popcorn.asp

[Spatula]

The thing is...if its "subliminal"...and therefore our minds don't consciously catch it...then do our brains really comprehend  it and change our actions?

[DarkWind]

I don't understand the question... Either way, subliminal messaging doesn't work and never will.