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Offline teran

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Beethoven Sonata Op. 109
on: May 09, 2013, 08:16:56 PM
So anyway learning this piece and it's been really enjoyable so far, I've just come across a bit of an issue at the end of the development section in the 1st movement.

Basically in bar 54, the stretch from B to D# is too much for my hands to reach comfortably. I can just about manage it clunkily, but it just isn't practical in the flow of the piece. Funnily enough the B is omitted in the PS Urtext and is in brackets on the other edition, guess it's been noted as being quite tough.

Still, I've cheated with the phrase just to see how it sounds with the B and it sounds so much better, honestly it finishes the phrase so perfectly that I can't imagine playing without it.

Which leads me to my problem, and the thing is that my stretch has always served me well enough not to really have to roll anything, so I'm kind of not sure what sound is forgiven (you can always notice the things you're doing better than someone who's just listening etc.)

So I'm wondering for those who are familiar with the piece and/or can play it, what do you make of that particular issue? How do you deal with it? Do you play the B? If your stretch isn't gargantuan how do you overcome it and sound convincing?

I sort of overthink things a bit, I'm mainly stuck because I really don't want to roll it, mainly because all the previous chords there is no rolling involved, so if I were to finish by rolling I feel it would stick out really obviously and I don't want that. D:

So yeah thoughts and insights would be appreciated.

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Re: Beethoven Sonata Op. 109
Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 08:43:28 PM
Woops, I meant to post this in performance. If this could be moved that would be grand.

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Re: Beethoven Sonata Op. 109
Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 11:33:31 PM
I roll it, fast. I don't think it's optional as it is part of a continuous line in the bass. An alternative might be to play the D# with the RH which is otherwise unoccupied  at that point, but that may be even more awkward.

It's not a big leap, and with practice you should be able to do these things almost imperceptibly.

I believe the editions that omit it follow Von Bulow. Not, IMO, ever a good policy.
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Re: Beethoven Sonata Op. 109
Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 01:14:24 AM
Yeah I considered using the right hand but that's sort of messy.

I suppose I'll have to work on my rolling technique, can't be lazy forever. :/

Thanks.
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