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Offline johannesbrahms

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Brahms first editions
on: May 18, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
Hello. I am one of those people who will only buy urtext editions of sheet music. I noticed on imslp.org that they have first editions of quite a few of Brahms' solo piano works. I was wondering, are these reliable editions? Since Brahms was a perfectionist, I don't think he would have allowed publishers to edit his compositions, so I think they would be completely accurate. I could be wrong, but does anyone know anything about this?

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Re: Brahms first editions
Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 06:45:32 PM
I've used a couple of Brahms pieces from IMSLP.  There are several places where alto clefs popped up (at least in the organ works).  Nothing really objectionable as far as I could tell.

A lot of my Brahms scores are Peters Edition. 
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Re: Brahms first editions
Reply #2 on: May 19, 2013, 05:27:05 PM
the alto clefs are probably original - brahms loved using the old notation.

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Re: Brahms first editions
Reply #3 on: May 19, 2013, 11:33:16 PM
the alto clefs are probably original - brahms loved using the old notation.

They actually make sense with regard to the score presentation, with the majority of pitches falling inside the staff.  A lot more elegant to look at IMO. 
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Re: Brahms first editions
Reply #4 on: May 19, 2013, 11:40:33 PM
They actually make sense with regard to the score presentation, with the majority of pitches falling inside the staff.  A lot more elegant to look at IMO. 

Perhaps, but they can be a pain to read for those of us unaccustomed to them.
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Re: Brahms first editions
Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 01:27:10 AM
Perhaps, but they can be a pain to read for those of us unaccustomed to them.

Good practice nonetheless.  One day you may be asked to read an open score written all in c clefs.  Occasional use of them in an older score is manageable, and also a good practical intro into reading them. 

There are also useful transposition tricks you can do if you are able to read c clefs. 
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Re: Brahms first editions
Reply #6 on: May 20, 2013, 01:43:43 AM
One day you may be asked to read an open score written all in c clefs.  

I'll take my chances and practice saying "No" as a backup plan.
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