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Spatula

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If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
on: November 03, 2004, 09:47:57 PM
Do you think the ability of composers back then in the hay days would be able to play stuff later on?

Do you think Beethoven could pull of a Shostakovich or Alkan?  Or Bach do the Liszt Tontenanz?

Of course I'm bending the rule of time here that Bach died way before say...Igor Stravinsky showed up...but what would Bach think of the stuff in Listz time?

hate it like some demon outta hell?  Or love it?

Spatula

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 09:50:03 PM
A quick joke:

What did chinese composers use to eat?






Answer:




BACH-CHOY!






For those of you who have no clue of whats funny..."Bok Choy" is an asian veggie kind of like a fat version of celery and lettuce.

Offline Ludwig Van Rachabji

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 10:18:48 PM
It would take Bach many years to "re-learn" the piano and play Liszt. This is because the pianos were so different. Bach probably would look at Liszt's music as noise anyway.

Great topic!  :)

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Spatula

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #3 on: November 03, 2004, 10:55:41 PM
Did you like my joke?  :D ;)

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 11:59:59 PM
Bach probably couldn't play modern pianos without a lot of training. Harpsichords have very light action, and fingerings have much less emphasis on strong vs. weak fingers since a key stuck lightly is as loud as a key stuck hard. Modern pianos resonate a lot longer too. I also think he wouldn't understand the kind of harmonies that Stravinsky wrote. If he saw a Eb7 chord over an E chord being played over and over, he'd say "why on earth would you want to do that?"

But, I think if Bach heard his own music being played on a modern piano by a great pianist, he'd love it.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #5 on: November 04, 2004, 03:42:09 AM
Funny thing is, Liszt worshipped Bach. Anyways, I think Bach would laugh at the pieces, saying "the counterpoint, when you see some, is just terrible!" Then he would improvise some sort of fugue or something. But I think Beethoven would be able to play some Alkan. Beethoven was a great pianist.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #6 on: November 04, 2004, 05:20:44 AM
I wonder if Mozart ever met say... Mahler... now that'd be a nice "discussion".


More fist action than you'll see in World Heavyweight Boxing I reckon.   ;D

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #7 on: November 04, 2004, 07:45:23 AM
Beethoven would be able to play Alkan and Liszt and Rach. He was an amazing pianist himself. I don't think Bach would be fond of say Prokofiev....

But a nice match would be Beethoven- Mahler ( imagine them writting a symphony together) :P
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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #8 on: November 04, 2004, 04:17:27 PM
Did you like my joke?  :D ;)

Yes, but only because it's interesting how it fails to work if you pronounce "Bach" properly (ie with an alveolar fricative rather than a stop on the last sound).   

For those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about, what I mean is that the "ch" isn't pronounced "k" but is sort of like the noise a cat makes when it is angry and it hisses (apologies to German speakers for this analogy, but I can't think how else to describe it).

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Spatula

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #9 on: November 04, 2004, 05:26:12 PM
Did you like my joke?  :D ;)

Yes, but only because it's interesting how it fails to work if you pronounce "Bach" properly (ie with an alveolar fricative rather than a stop on the last sound).   

For those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about, what I mean is that the "ch" isn't pronounced "k" but is sort of like the noise a cat makes when it is angry and it hisses (apologies to German speakers for this analogy, but I can't think how else to describe it).

Kathryn

Did I consult for a linguistics specialist?  No.    :P

(You'll soon find out why I'm a hard @$$ed wooden kitchen utensil.  Consider this a more polite warning)   ;)

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #10 on: November 04, 2004, 05:35:22 PM
Just an aside:

I am the most obnoxious and arrogant kitchen utensil you'll ever meet.
Nice to meet you Kathryn.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #11 on: November 04, 2004, 05:40:30 PM
You're also an ignorant kitchen utensil. Kathryn is right, Bach is not pronounced "Bock." It is pronounced Bakh.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #12 on: November 04, 2004, 06:03:36 PM
It seems you don't want to be amused by the joke.  Pronounciation has to sometimes be altered to suit the situation, at the risk mispronoucing names.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #13 on: November 04, 2004, 06:26:12 PM
I am the most obnoxious and arrogant kitchen utensil you'll ever meet.

I though my mandoline was the most obnoxious kitchen utensil (almost sliced my fingers off a couple of times), but this time, I really don't have any reason to disagree with you!
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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #14 on: November 04, 2004, 07:00:25 PM
Good, then we're all in accord.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #15 on: November 04, 2004, 07:06:45 PM
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Yes, but only because it's interesting how it fails to work if you pronounce "Bach" properly (ie with an alveolar fricative rather than a stop on the last sound).   

For those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about, what I mean is that the "ch" isn't pronounced "k" but is sort of like the noise a cat makes when it is angry and it hisses (apologies to German speakers for this analogy, but I can't think how else to describe it).
It isn't pronounced with an alveolar fricative either because the alveolar ridge refers to the front of the mouth.  Bach is pronounced with the back, as in the velar sound of someone hacking (pleasant picture in mind, eh?).
A modern house without a flush toilet... uncanny.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #16 on: November 04, 2004, 07:33:11 PM
or ...maybe not so much in accord.

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Re: If you were to give Bach the Rach 3...
Reply #17 on: November 05, 2004, 10:18:17 PM
I'm quite sure that if Chopin and Bill Evans grew up on the same block, they'd be great piano buddies. Who agrees? :)
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