Le Gibet

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Alright, one down not really, two to go!


I'm on measure 20, and so far it freaking sucks man... 

I'm having trouble deciding when to play the b flat between, or with the chords, so Does anyone have any fingerings/notes for this?  *cough* Chopin2015 *cough* *cough*...  Man, I'm getting a cold...

And if you're also learning this, Join the pain and suffering fun!  We can be Le Gibet buddies yay!

[senanserat]

I am nowhere as sadistic yet.
But I will keep the offer in mind.

[j_menz]

If that's the bar marked ppp tres lie, the last two dotted ones line up with the top staff quavers, the rest are in between them.

Good luck. I look forward to your tales of woe. 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

If that's the bar marked ppp tres lie, the last two dotted ones line up with the top staff quavers, the rest are in between them.

Good luck. I look forward to your tales of woe. 

Measure 20 is impossible.

[nanabush]

I'll join in on this.  I was fascinated by how effective this piece is at 'scaring the crap' out of me 

How far into it are you now?  A while ago I got a bit past page 1, but I'll sit a bit today and see what I can do.

[nanabush]

Also... for measure 20.  It might be easier to visualize these massive chords in a key with sharps... there's a lot of 'E major ninth-ness' going on...

So... for example: rather than reading it as Ebb - Gb - Cb - Fb (which seems pretty ambiguous), try imagining it as: D - F# - B - E.  For me, dense passages like this sit easier once I've wrapped my head around the harmony.  I find that I'm not straining my eyes trying to decode it on the spot every time I play.  Also, (for me), memorizing hand positions without really considering harmony just confuses me and usually leads to mistakes if I'm nervous.

So that would be my suggestion for this part.  I know the chords are a big stretch, and coordinating with the Bb pedal is probably the biggest issue, but I think a huge part of the difficulty is having the chords prepared before integrating the middle part...

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I'll join in on this.  I was fascinated by how effective this piece is at 'scaring the crap' out of me 

How far into it are you now?  A while ago I got a bit past page 1, but I'll sit a bit today and see what I can do.

I'm at measure...

31 or something.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

memorizing hand positions without really considering harmony just confuses me and usually leads to mistakes if I'm nervous.

OMG YES!!!

I just figured that out recently!

The parts where you get memory slips are at where you only memorize hand positions/fingerings.

That's the first thing that goes out the window when you're under pressure!

[quantum]

One of my scores claims that the 4th B-flat should not have a dot over it, it should be tied.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

One of my scores claims that the 4th B-flat should not have a dot over it, it should be tied.

4th b flat in the piece? 

Or is there a specific passage somewhere in the middle you're talking about?

[quantum]

4th B-flat in Measure 20.

[lojay]

@OP: I find it amazing that you learned the first movement and think that any part of Le Gibet is impossible.

[chopin2015]

Sure! Let's be Le Gibet buddies!
*Looks through music on top of the piano: Chopin Beethoven Chopin Chopin Chopin...

Ah, here it is.

Let's see...

The instructions tell you to "bring out a little" and that may be referring to the b flats because they are to be sustained more so than other notes...methinks

The smallest value is the 16th rest at the beginning of the bar, in the left hand (you play the next note with the right, the b flat octave). The right hand is 2 sets of 4 quarter notes...take the first set, multiply by 2. Count the 16th notes in the middle part, the 16th rest, 16th, and a dottet 8th makes 5. So the next 16th played is the 6th 16th note when looking at the first group of 4 8th notes in your right...the notes are played during the second half of each 8th note.  
 I am not sure if that makes sense, but definitely just count it out at first, and later you can swing the middle passage a little, bring it out as it's own thing happening, it is a play in the rhythm to show how free you can be when all these notes are happening simultaneously, and you have this simple tone in the middle. You don't have to hold anything and hurt yourself, you should hold some if you can but use the pedal and go for a sustained sound on those b flats, listening to the harmonics. (I sound like I am fixing to meditate...sorry!!)

As for fingering, my book says to play the middle part in the left hand. Do you need the fingering for the left hand or right hand, or both? You can alternate which hand plays the middle part, if you have an even touch!

Can you tell me more? What exactly is the problem you are experiencing right now, in this bar? Maybe a special warm-up will help you better!  

ttys

[unholeee]

oo why have i never heard this before. that a^b e^b b^b c^b gives me goosebumps.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

@OP: I find it amazing that you learned the first movement and think that any part of Le Gibet is impossible.

Never mind it's fine.

Slow pieces for me are harder to learn than faster ones. 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Sure! Let's be Le Gibet buddies!
*Looks through music on top of the piano: Chopin Beethoven Chopin Chopin Chopin...

Ah, here it is.

Let's see...

The instructions tell you to "bring out a little" and that may be referring to the b flats because they are to be sustained more so than other notes...methinks

The smallest value is the 16th rest at the beginning of the bar, in the left hand (you play the next note with the right, the b flat octave). The right hand is 2 sets of 4 quarter notes...take the first set, multiply by 2. Count the 16th notes in the middle part, the 16th rest, 16th, and a dottet 8th makes 5. So the next 16th played is the 6th 16th note when looking at the first group of 4 8th notes in your right...the notes are played during the second half of each 8th note.  
 I am not sure if that makes sense, but definitely just count it out at first, and later you can swing the middle passage a little, bring it out as it's own thing happening, it is a play in the rhythm to show how free you can be when all these notes are happening simultaneously, and you have this simple tone in the middle. You don't have to hold anything and hurt yourself, you should hold some if you can but use the pedal and go for a sustained sound on those b flats, listening to the harmonics. (I sound like I am fixing to meditate...sorry!!)

As for fingering, my book says to play the middle part in the left hand. Do you need the fingering for the left hand or right hand, or both? You can alternate which hand plays the middle part, if you have an even touch!

Can you tell me more? What exactly is the problem you are experiencing right now, in this bar? Maybe a special warm-up will help you better!  

ttys

Top two lines of your post...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I was actually laughing outloud quite a bit lol.

Never mind I finished learning that for now.

It's just soo slow to learn!!!!

Yeah I take the b flats with the left hand.

[dima_76557]

It's just soo slow to learn!!!!

Do you know Richter's version of this piece? Makes learning a lot easier because it is really unforgettable. Here it is - Moscow, 1954, live, coughing public included:

[chopin2015]

Do you know Richter's version of this piece? Makes learning a lot easier because it is really unforgettable. Here it is - Moscow, 1954, live, coughing public included:

Ahhh, Richter <3

 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

And on top of Richter being able to play Le Gibet, I heard that he could also fight pretty well.

[j_menz]

And on top of Richter being able to play Le Gibet, I heard that he could also fight pretty well.

He perhaps could have exercised that skill on some of the "coughing public".

[chopin2015]

Hey, there's nothing wrong with a little fighting to get your adrenaline up...Or he may have only wrestled bears, idk...

[unholeee]

^ he could do both if he composed an erhu concerto. i went to one and it was like being at the zoo - just an attraction for some of those people.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

And I also heard that one time he got in a bar fight and injured his hand.

[chopin2015]

hahahah...He did not!!! I didn't know he drank!

[lojay]

Wait, I swore that Richter was Russian...

[rachmaninoff_forever]

hahahah...He did not!!! I didn't know he drank!

No dude I'm soo serious! 

I don't know whether or not he got his ass kicked, but it definitely affected his technique.

[lojay]

Hmm.

I think he got something else besides the foot...

[chopin2015]

Wait, I swore that Richter was Russian...

His mother was Russian, and his father German. Idk, watch the documentary! The enigma, Sviatoslav Richter.

[lojay]

If you don't drown yourself in Vodka, you are not Russian.  I guess I have to be more explicit?

Also, my comment about the foot was an allusion to certain alleged proclivities... I'm surprised no one got that.

[dima_76557]

If you don't drown yourself in Vodka, you are not Russian.

Don't believe the propaganda you hear: that has only been true up to now for a certain part of the population. You may be interested to hear from a Russian that times are changing for several reasons even for that part of the population. For example, you have to make 100% sure where you buy the Vodka and whether it has been labeled properly, otherwise science cannot describe what you're consuming. Also, Russians are beginning to realize what alcohol can cause on the road, etc. Especially among the younger ones, there are many who neither smoke nor drink alcohol at all.

[lojay]

Especially among the younger ones, there are many who neither smoke nor drink alcohol at all.

Now I understand why older Russians say that something is lost with this new generation.


In all seriousness, I was making a racist/stereotyping joke.  I don't actually believe what I wrote, I just thought my comment would be amusing .

Wait...unless is your response a troll?

[j_menz]

I was making a racist/stereotyping joke......I just thought my comment would be amusing .

Oh grow up. 

[lojay]

Never!

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Oh grow up. 

I hate growing up.  You have...

Responsibilities.

[lojay]

Come on j_menz... you at least chuckled, right?

[j_menz]

Come on j_menz... you at least chuckled, right?

Rascism is never funny.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Rascism is never funny.

I don't think that what he said was exactly racist. 

But I do think race related jokes are funny.

But of course you gotta draw the line somewhere.

And where you draw that line is different for different people.

[lojay]

Oh grow up. 

Well.  You need to grow a sense of humor  .

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Well.  You need to grow a sense of humor  .

DAAAAYUM!!!

Come on, the J Menz I know wouldn't be defeated so easily!

Come on, lay down the law!