suggestions for advanced pianist

[wwalrus]

i recently completed learning rachmaninoff concerto 3, and i played liszt hung rhapsody 2 a few months back. they're both mastered, so i don't see the point in continuing to work on them.

any suggestiosn as to what i should play next? i dont want easier pieces like la campanella and gaspard de la nuit, because i'd learn them quickly and they won't keep me occupied. so, suggestions?

[perprocrastinate]

[wwalrus]

i do not unerstand. are you making fun of me? i bet u cant even play piano heh

[thalbergmad]

i recently completed learning rachmaninoff concerto 3, and i played liszt hung rhapsody 2 a few months back. they're both mastered, so i don't see the point in continuing to work on them.

any suggestiosn as to what i should play next? i dont want easier pieces like la campanella and gaspard de la nuit, because i'd learn them quickly and they won't keep me occupied. so, suggestions?

In a previous thread you claimed you were 14 years old and now you expect people to fall for this crap.

You are either one of the greatest young pianists ever or a complete tosser. Can you blame people for thinking the latter??

Post proof of your mastery and then I will consider wasting time in suggesting pieces.

Time to put up or shut up.

Thal

[wwalrus]

why are you guys being so mean

[wwalrus]

by the way, for a guy who jokes around about other people making ridiculous posts (hardest piece, competitions, suggestions for repertoire), you sure have trouble recognizing when other people do it.

i cant actually believe that a couple of you believed me


EDIT: in b4 "you sure got us" posts

[h_chopin148]

I smell a troll...

[lojay]

Hmm.  I should jump on this bandwagon.

[pianoplunker]

i recently completed learning rachmaninoff concerto 3, and i played liszt hung rhapsody 2 a few months back. they're both mastered, so i don't see the point in continuing to work on them.

any suggestiosn as to what i should play next? i dont want easier pieces like la campanella and gaspard de la nuit, because i'd learn them quickly and they won't keep me occupied. so, suggestions?

that is all you've accomplished ?   La Campenella is a requirement for Piano Street Judges. you dont get any suggestions until you play it rather than only "ASSuming" you can play it.
it must suck to only have mastered two pieces.

[bronnestam]

i recently completed learning rachmaninoff concerto 3, and i played liszt hung rhapsody 2 a few months back. they're both mastered, so i don't see the point in continuing to work on them.

any suggestiosn as to what i should play next? i dont want easier pieces like la campanella and gaspard de la nuit, because i'd learn them quickly and they won't keep me occupied. so, suggestions?

Yeah, try La Campanella but try some funny versions which I also find useful when I need some challenges (after all, it is not good to get bored, you need to stay motivated!)
- stand on your head on the piano chair - concentraaate, feel the Force! - and play in that position while you balance your mother's crystal champagne glasses on your feet
- play the whole piece backwards and in double tempo
- mix so that you play Rach 3 with left hand and La Campanella with you right, then switch, and then HEAR THE MASKED MESSAGE THAT APPEARS! (Hope you are not too religious, this is cool stuff!) I was totally stunned when I first heard it, it totally changed my perspective of the world.

[piano1mn]

Maybe you can play something like Menuet in G by Bach  
Actually, you might want to try La Campanella. Or master Un Sospiro and then play way harder pieces. The only reason I suggested the Sospiro is because of the "daunting" part. But after you master that, you will be able to sightread anything a little under your current level on piano with similar technique. Or for fun, you can sightread rags or Busoni/Bach's Toccata in D minor. Or some Bach's Vivaldi Concertos. You can try to compose something and play it in front of over 5 people.

  -Dorattie

[wwalrus]

La Campanella is kind of a drag for me, it's literally like playinig Minuet in G. however, composing something and then performing it for OVER 5 PEOPLE is pretty scary i have to say

[emill]

i recently completed learning rachmaninoff concerto 3, and i played liszt hung rhapsody 2 a few months back. they're both mastered, so i don't see the point in continuing to work on them.

any suggestiosn as to what i should play next? i dont want easier pieces like la campanella and gaspard de la nuit, because i'd learn them quickly and they won't keep me occupied. so, suggestions? 

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!  I know your claims are quite possible, but you must understand that there is a galaxy of distance between playing pieces like Rach 3 or Hung. Rhap. 2 and playing them "correctly".  The past several years there have been characters here who have been posting big claims yet were so short on their performances or worse were just outright frauds. So you have to understand the skepticism and cynicism around here. 

To Illustrate:  If I just claim that my son Enzo first saw a piano at age 9 1/2 and by 10 years old he was playing (maybe reasonably well for his age) the Fantasie Impromptu, Libestraume, Flight of the Bumble Bee, Sonata K330, Moonlight-2nd mvt, and many more pieces all memorized in barely one year time.... we will be BAWLED out with cynicism and skepticism if we did not show any "proof".  Another crazy parent!!!!

Many come to PianoStreet to learn and in your case probably to share your knowledge and skill and NOT MERELY TO MAKE CLAIMS.  In order to learn or teach one can post an audio or better a video... especially in "AUDITION"...  that will pacify the skeptics and the unbelievers.  You know there are some really good teachers here and you could be one of them! 

Please do not get me wrong ... you claims may be possible; but like many here we find it difficult to believe. So it would be best if you can post a video so that at the same time people can learn from you.

BTW .... to substantiate our claims about my son ... here are the videos taken by his brother: Please be a little considerate as it was his 1st year on the piano!

Fantasie Impromptu:   

Liebestraume:   

Fight of the Bumblebee:   

Sonata k330:   

Moonlight, 2nd mvt:

BEST wishes to you young man!!

 

[lojay]

@emill: You are getting trolled so hard.  I love these moments.

[emill]

@emill: You are getting trolled so hard.  I love these moments. 

Perhaps you're right, but I could not help myself from thinking ...

what if we have a reincarnation of Charles-Valentin Alkan !!!!

I will never forgive myself for missing the opportunity to encourage
Mr. reincarnation to teach using PS.

[swagmaster420x]

@emill: You are getting trolled so hard.  I love these moments.

Hes a parent fishing for compliments and recognition for his prodigy son he domt care whthr hes gettinf trolled or not

[wwalrus]

i can personally confirm you are not getting trolled. however, i dont need to prove myself to lowly people like you because i know i can play rach 3 at least as well as the top concert pianists right now, i just need recognition through winning competitions which will come in time.

GOOD DAY TO YOU

[emill]

Hes a parent fishing for compliments and recognition for his prodigy son he domt care whthr hes gettinf trolled or not 

Wow!!  an all encompassing, know it all statement from somebody who BARELY knows me or my son from Adam and coming from someone who just registered last June. Such brashness!!!

The reason I have to "front" for my son is something very personal and complicated but understood very well by close family members. Only one member of PS, very respected around here, knows the real score and we share similar situations about our sons. Lorenzo often requests me to post this or that here and despite that I feel uncomfortable about it; but as a father you do it for your son who needs your help communicating. There are a good number of people here, good teachers too, who are quite sensitive and probably understands my role. They have been generous in their comments and have participated in our posts despite knowing after all these years that Lorenzo barely answers.  Believe it or not, he really wants the opinions of those who understand the piano and that is the reason why we are here. I am just embarrassed that he is so silent and he keeps to himself. I often feel uneasy that we may create an impression of being ungrateful by not responding to the technical or academic points brought out by some. But he discusses spiritedly practically all opinions generated by our posts with his teacher, one of the very few he opens up to.

I do not need to generate attention for my son. He has a lot of that, earned mainly through his innate talent and hard work from music cognoscenti here in our country. And in his audition foray
last February and March in the US ... I am sure he by himself had gotten the attention/recognition of the Faculty of many top American music schools by their accepting him with good amounts of scholarship grants. Attention/recognition is nothing if one can not deliver, unless one makes a fool of himself for the attention.  I do not think I have made a fool of myself by trying to draw the poster wwalrus by using my son's videos as examples.  I was honestly hoping he would take up the challenge.  You unfairly placed a slanted meaning to my post.

[thalbergmad]

I do not need to generate attention for my son.

Indeed you do not.

Anyone who has been here for more than 5 minutes and has frequented the auditions room, already knows what a talent he is.

Thal

[mikeowski]

i can personally confirm you are not getting trolled. however, i dont need to prove myself to lowly people like you because i know i can play rach 3 at least as well as the top concert pianists right now, i just need recognition through winning competitions which will come in time.

GOOD DAY TO YOU

You sound like you're...well, Christopher Hitchens put it this way: If somebody gave you an enema, you would fit in a matchbox.

[h_chopin148]

i can personally confirm you are not getting trolled. however, i dont need to prove myself to lowly people like you because i know i can play rach 3 at least as well as the top concert pianists right now, i just need recognition through winning competitions which will come in time.

GOOD DAY TO YOU

Well isn't that a bit conceited of you? And what everyone is trying to say(and what you obviously don't understand is that we are not saying you need to "prove" yourself, it's just that it's not good going around making claims without any substance. It would be a lot easier to answer your original question if we actually had a sample of your playing.

[lojay]

You sound like you're...well, Christopher Hitchens put it this way: If somebody gave you an enema, you would fit in a matchbox.

LOL!

[wwalrus]

i had no idea that people were this gullible. even after i post the picture making it clear i'm trolling, just because i say "i'm not trolling" people believe me? what a joke

[swagmaster420x]

Wow!!  an all encompassing, know it all statement from somebody who BARELY knows me or my son from Adam and coming from someone who just registered last June. Such brashness!!!

The reason I have to "front" for my son is something very personal and complicated but understood very well by close family members. Only one member of PS, very respected around here, knows the real score and we share similar situations about our sons. Lorenzo often requests me to post this or that here and despite that I feel uncomfortable about it; but as a father you do it for your son who needs your help communicating. There are a good number of people here, good teachers too, who are quite sensitive and probably understands my role. They have been generous in their comments and have participated in our posts despite knowing after all these years that Lorenzo barely answers.  Believe it or not, he really wants the opinions of those who understand the piano and that is the reason why we are here. I am just embarrassed that he is so silent and he keeps to himself. I often feel uneasy that we may create an impression of being ungrateful by not responding to the technical or academic points brought out by some. But he discusses spiritedly practically all opinions generated by our posts with his teacher, one of the very few he opens up to.

I do not need to generate attention for my son. He has a lot of that, earned mainly through his innate talent and hard work from music cognoscenti here in our country. And in his audition foray
last February and March in the US ... I am sure he by himself had gotten the attention/recognition of the Faculty of many top American music schools by their accepting him with good amounts of scholarship grants. Attention/recognition is nothing if one can not deliver, unless one makes a fool of himself for the attention.  I do not think I have made a fool of myself by trying to draw the poster wwalrus by using my son's videos as examples.  I was honestly hoping he would take up the challenge.  You unfairly placed a slanted meaning to my post.

haha i wasn't trying to be mean, i mean by calling you son a prodigy i did implicitly acknowledge that he's very good
but now i see the full picture.. thats so strange, why wouldn't he just make his own account and post his own stuff, seeing as he has nothing to be nervous about...

[swagmaster420x]

i had no idea that people were this gullible. even after i post the picture making it clear i'm trolling, just because i say "i'm not trolling" people believe me? what a joke

i know, lmao...................

[mjames]

BTW .... to substantiate our claims about my son ... here are the videos taken by his brother: Please be a little considerate as it was his 1st year on the piano!

Fantasie Impromptu:  

Liebestraume:  

Fight of the Bumblebee:  

Sonata k330:  

Moonlight, 2nd mvt:

BEST wishes to you young man!!

Bullshit, you're telling me that that was during his first year as a piano student? Moonlight I can believe. Fantasie I can believe, the liszt I can believe, but the flight of the bumblebee? Dude what the ***. Excuse the rudeness, but are you guys aliens?

[j_menz]

Bullshit, you're telling me that that was during his first year as a piano student? Moonlight I can believe. Fantasie I can believe, the liszt I can believe, but the flight of the bumblebee? Dude what the ***. Excuse the rudeness, but are you guys aliens?

We've had the pleasure of watching Enzo develop as a very fine pianist. A look through the history of the audition room will soon prove your folly.

[stevenarmstrong]

I find it ridiculous that the boy accomplished all that in his first year. There are prodigies but I those pieces in the first year of learning, I'm sorry, but I think that is exaggerated. I'm happy to stand corrected as it just my opinion. And really, the artistic quality required of those pieces no child can comprehend which is evident here especially in the Mozart, Chopin and Liszt - it's extremely mechanical. I've never understood why teachers push prodigies to play virtuosic pieces instead of focussing on what music is really about. Show me a kid who can play a handful of Chopin preludes with some artistic maturity. It's art, not science.

Having said that, the boy's technical skill is a huge advantage to him and I really hope that he receives the education he needs to take it to the next level, the most important level, the artistic level! Or he will just be the next Lang Lang...BORING!   

[dima_76557]

I find it ridiculous that the boy accomplished all that in his first year. There are prodigies but I those pieces in the first year of learning, I'm sorry, but I think that is exaggerated. I'm happy to stand corrected as it just my opinion. And really, the artistic quality required of those pieces no child can comprehend which is evident here especially in the Mozart, Chopin and Liszt - it's extremely mechanical. I've never understood why teachers push prodigies to play virtuosic pieces instead of focussing on what music is really about. Show me a kid who can play a handful of Chopin preludes with some artistic maturity. It's art, not science.

Although this seems methodologically incorrect, this is the natural way for most virtuosos of all times. Until they are 18, they are expected to have solved virtually all technical problems in the existing virtuoso repertoire. During that period, they tend to play very loudly and very fast, and somewhat mechanically. After that, when all material obstacles have been dealt with, the young craftsmen calm down and concentrate on becoming artists. Any other path is trying to build a house without a good foundation. Requiring "artistic maturity" from young kids in whatever repertoire is an enormous waste of time if it doesn't come natural to them, time they had better use to learn the craft.
P.S.: The fact that many Asians sound "boring" is their cultural roots, not their technical regime. As a matter of fact, one can never have enough technique. They are gradually catching up, though, so within a very short timeframe, they may well be able to outplay the competition in virtually every aspect.

[stevenarmstrong]

True true. Lang Lang said himself that it is for that very reason he went to west to take it further.

From my experience as a teacher, young students can demonstrate an understanding of interpretation and artistry. I have also witnessed them apply certain interpretative principles to other passages or works without my guidance! Grieg Lyric Pieces are great for that. The shorter the piece, the easier they can do that, it may still be quite virtuosic like Chopin Preludes (some more than others), Poulenc Improvisations etc Just like reading. Who would give a child a book of Shakespeare or Pushkin? It's a lovely idea, but they wont get it. I do agree with you, except that I have heard young students play with artistic maturity in shorter more accessible pieces.

     

[dima_76557]

I do agree with you, except that I have heard young students play with artistic maturity in shorter more accessible pieces.

Those are most likely "naturals", but they are usually beyond methodology anyway. They become great despite the system, not because of it.