party or practice...

[rachmaninoff_forever]

So I moved in on Sunday right?

I'm definitely feeling the pressure to go partying...

It's quite tempting.

Last night I practiced until one.

My friends went out partying till 3.

Hmmmmm....

What to do...

[theholygideons]

It is saturday...
Go clubbing!!!
don't forget to wear earplugs, or you'll get tinnitus like me.   

[chopin2015]

Do both! Make sure you get to practice enough, but NOT TOO MUCH! You need to feel connection with people (don't be upset if you don't for a very long time, but...) you need to feel social interaction because it is really hard to be in school, around people most of the time, and feel alone. You will literally feel cold and sick all the time if you don't have friends (actual friends, other than Beethoven) ...having cold hands hurts!

[outin]

So I moved in on Sunday right?

I'm definitely feeling the pressure to go partying...

It's quite tempting.

Last night I practiced until one.

My friends went out partying till 3.

Hmmmmm....

What to do...

PRACTICE! What's the point of partying if you don't drink beer? 

I hope everything is going smoothly 

[patrickd]

Practice.

[faulty_damper]

You can practice at 1 in the morning?  Wow, I'm SO envious of you right now.

Are you an intravert? What is your MBTI designation?  Take this test to find out:
https://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

Once you get your score and type, then it will be obvious whether or not you should be out partying.

[the_fervid_pig]

What do you want to do? If you'd rather be out then you may not be able to concentrate on practice anyway. Maybe compromise, go out of a weekend, stay in and practice through the week. Best of luck with your new digs.

[pianoman53]

Always practice... always... Until some people gets pissed, because you never party. Then you party, and create really awkward situations, proving to the idiots, who made you go out in the first place, to never ask you again... ever.

[the_fervid_pig]

Always practice... always... Until some people gets pissed, because you never party. Then you party, and create really awkward situations, proving to the idiots, who made you go out in the first place, to never ask you again... ever.

I like that! If it helps in your decision my memory is mashed because of the "fun" I had whilst at college and the subsequent 10 years. Having said that I'd do it all again, but I didn't have a scholarship to study piano. Still think you should do both, it's good life experience. Consider it networking.

[chopin2015]

you could play an ear training drinking game, and make everyone else drink!! hehe

[quantum]

You are studying music right?  There is most likely going to be music at a party.  So partying = researching music.  

Seriously though, once you start your courses you will be learning to think about music in many different ways.  Parties are a good place to observe such concepts.  

[qpalqpal]

You can practice at 1 in the morning?  Wow, I'm SO envious of you right now.

Are you an intravert? What is your MBTI designation?  Take this test to find out:
https://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

Once you get your score and type, then it will be obvious whether or not you should be out partying.

MBTI is BS

Do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. But make sure it makes you happy.

[senanserat]

Foolish mortal, do both at the same time.



Meanwhile in your room while reading this:

[qpalqpal]

Foolish mortal, do both at the same time.



Meanwhile in your room while reading this:

Hahaha!  Classic post. 

[faulty_damper]

MBTI is BS

The fact that millions of people have taken it does provide validity, just like IQ tests are valid.  Whether or not it purports to what it tests is another issue, just like IQ tests.

[qpalqpal]

The fact that millions of people have taken it does provide validity, just like IQ tests are valid.  Whether or not it purports to what it tests is another issue, just like IQ tests.

What I am saying is that cutting a person into percentage this and that is very impersonal and (to me) absurd. That it works, perhaps it does. But to me, the notion of categorizing someone as 'introvert' seems very impersonal.

[faulty_damper]

What I am saying is that cutting a person into percentage this and that is very impersonal and (to me) absurd. That it works, perhaps it does. But to me, the notion of categorizing someone as 'introvert' seems very impersonal.

Does the fact that the vast majority of pianists are intraverts say something about personality?  And does it also say something about singers who mostly are extraverts?  Except for the very best who happen to be intraverts?  There's definitely a correlation here.

I'm an INTJ.

[senanserat]

Does the fact that the vast majority of pianists are intraverts say something about personality?  And does it also say something about singers who mostly are extraverts?  Except for the very best who happen to be intraverts?  There's definitely a correlation here.

I'm an INTJ.

I'm an FADAA

[pianoman53]

Does the fact that the vast majority of pianists are intraverts say something about personality?  And does it also say something about singers who mostly are extraverts?  Except for the very best who happen to be intraverts?  There's definitely a correlation here.

I'm an INTJ.

I am DWSN (done with stupid nonsense). Clearly, many of the questions are stupid. Or more accuratly, the answers. Many of them are "Well, sometimes.." and "Depends on the situation". If you think that this test is great, while Glenn Gould and Horowitz are rapists.. Then I don't really have any clear answer to that

[qpalqpal]

faulty_damper confuses me. Either you're stubborn or you have different views on the world.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Lol I was up till 6 this morning.

I'm never doing that again...

[senanserat]

Lol I was up till 6 this morning.

I'm never doing that again...

This guy has some dragonballz

[j_menz]

I'm never doing that again...

Practice that line. It will work next week, too. And the week after. And the week after that....

[the_fervid_pig]

You could only go to parties where they have a piano.
On the topic of introvert/extrovert piano playing etc. what about singers who play the piano?

[qpalqpal]

Most muscians (that I know) are very eccentric/introverted, and they don't go partying in large crowds. Same goes for me . . . I'd rather practice the piano than go outside and play football (usually).

 In any case, High School dances (not prom) are completely inappropiate (coming from a 15 year-old male). A dance is supposed to be graceful and rhythmic and beautiful. If you want to have an idea of a 21st century high school dance is; people squished together in an excessively dark room grinding up against anyone to the same mainstream music you hear on the radio. Basically jumping up and down. I don't see why they call it a dance. Its more of a pleasure fest if you ask me, where no boy in that room practices dignity towards girls.

It's appalling. Makes me hate my generation.

That's why I stay home and play piano. Because my idea of a good time is doing things in moderation. I much rather enjoy Thanksgiving dinner or walking in the mountains with my Mom and Uncle telling jokes. That's a good time

[faulty_damper]

Because in HS, no one knows how to dance socially.  The music is geared toward their collective ignorance.  So here's some advice from a social dancer who loves Argentine tango.

1. Men hold up your left hand - women hold that hand with your right.
2. Men place right hand behind woman's back - women place left hand on man's shoulder or back.
3. Listen to the music.

I also dance solo improv.
1. Listen to the music.
2. Do not do moves - listen to the music.
3. The music tells you how to move.

For high school students:
1. To boys, girls do not have cooties.  Same advice for girls.
2. It's normal to have a hard on if you first touch a girl.  Girls, boys don't have cooties.
3. Most important, you don't have to dance every dance.  In fact, you don't even have to dance any dance.  It's just important to be present so you are known and are a familiar face.

Lastly,
Don't dance to music that you don't like.

[faulty_damper]

I am DWSN (done with stupid nonsense). Clearly, many of the questions are stupid. Or more accuratly, the answers. Many of them are "Well, sometimes.." and "Depends on the situation". If you think that this test is great, while Glenn Gould and Horowitz are rapists.. Then I don't really have any clear answer to that

That's not the point.  In psychology, we have to choose between a binary scale and a graduated scale.  Binary scales are far simple because it gets coded as either a 1 or a 0.  Graduated scales are far more complicated and can be confounded by the fact that people don't respond in the same way.  So even though two people should mark a question a '3', one can mark it a '2' and the other a '4'.  They both average out to '3' but in terms of reporting it back to that specific individual, the results may be skewed.  In any case, the questions that were posed had redundancy questions to make the results more accurate.  Many psychological questionnaires do this to improve accuracy.

As for Gould y Horowitz, that's why i don't listen to them anymore.  I don't want my ears raped out.

[qpalqpal]

Because in HS, no one knows how to dance socially.  The music is geared toward their collective ignorance.  So here's some advice from a social dancer who loves Argentine tango.

1. Men hold up your left hand - women hold that hand with your right.
2. Men place right hand behind woman's back - women place left hand on man's shoulder or back.
3. Listen to the music.

I also dance solo improv.
1. Listen to the music.
2. Do not do moves - listen to the music.
3. The music tells you how to move.

For high school students:
1. To boys, girls do not have cooties.  Same advice for girls.
2. It's normal to have a hard on if you first touch a girl.  Girls, boys don't have cooties.
3. Most important, you don't have to dance every dance.  In fact, you don't even have to dance any dance.  It's just important to be present so you are known and are a familiar face.

Lastly,
Don't dance to music that you don't like.

I don't how old are you or what country your're from, but your're clueless about HS Dances for sure.

[j_menz]

I'm an INTJ.

So am I. Clearly there's a fault in the system. 

[qpalqpal]

So am I. Clearly there's a fault in the system. 

Thank you!

[faulty_damper]

I don't how old are you or what country your're from, but your're clueless about HS Dances for sure.

Then tell us what HS dances are like?  They rent out a nice place (in the gym.)  They have gorgeous decorations (including paper streamers and confetti.)  Great food (nachos and a punch bowl.)

I'm in the US.  And in truth, I only went to prom (not even mine).  But as an adult who dances socially, I can tell you that the reason why no one knows how to dance like they used to is simply because none of the elders (aka parents) ever taught their children social dance.  By now, most parents don't even know how to dance and it's a lost art.  Hence the solo grinding.

[the_fervid_pig]

This thread is an eye opener. When I was at school, (cue Dvorak) HS discos had the English teacher on the decks and most of the punters locked in the amenities downing a bottle of vodka, or doing what 15 Y/Os do when left alone for a few minutes. Collective knowledge of Argentina began and ended with Diego Maradona.

[qpalqpal]

Then tell us what HS dances are like?  They rent out a nice place (in the gym.)  They have gorgeous decorations (including paper streamers and confetti.)  Great food (nachos and a punch bowl.)

I'm in the US.  And in truth, I only went to prom (not even mine).  But as an adult who dances socially, I can tell you that the reason why no one knows how to dance like they used to is simply because none of the elders (aka parents) ever taught their children social dance.  By now, most parents don't even know how to dance and it's a lost art.  Hence the solo grinding.

What I'm telling you is that the cultural situation is miserable. Your first stanze is very correct. And so is your're second. I think the generation before me (my parents one, though not them specifically)  have failed in many ways to culture their children. I know I am speaking like an 80 year old, but its true. Parents taught kids how to shave, etc. how to hunt etc. Children were corrected physically but lovingly, as in my family. (WHICH IS NOT ABUSE, ALL YOU AGAINST THE ONLY WAY OF CORRECTING CHILDREN EFFECTIVELY). I hope I don't sound like a stuck-up selfish snob. The reason for this downhill trend is because of mass secularization. All you liberals wanted freedom? Now you have it. Look what we've got. Hope you like today's generation. End of story.

Don't get me wrong, there are kids these day who are spectacular, smart, innovative, creative, hard working. These are the ones which will save the world.

Okay now I am done rambling, and all I will say is that there is hope for me. What I don't like to do is stay like a hermit and ignore (which I do). I want to help, fix. But anyways

[davidjosepha]

Party. You can practice your entire life. There's only a few years where you can get shitfaced regularly without people calling you an alcoholic.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I have to take choir...

I CAN'T SING!!!!!!!!!!

Piano majors don't have an ensemble...

[Bob]

 

[senanserat]

 

My reaction at how the thread went offtopic XD

[quantum]

I have to take choir...

I CAN'T SING!!!!!!!!!!

Piano majors don't have an ensemble...

You're not the only one.   Large ensemble is pretty much a common requirement for music majors in many colleges. 

Do you play an orchestral instrument?  I played clarinet in the symphonic band to fulfill the ensemble requirements. 


If choir is your only option at the moment, just do it.  Singing is good for you.  You will not be the only person there that does not have singing experience.  Besides, you will probably be required to sing in your other courses too, maybe even for musicianship tests.  Look at it this way, in a huge choir you can gain experience and you are surrounded by people that serve as good examples.  Think about this: what are you going to do for your sight-singing tests (sung as a solo in front of your prof), say that you can't sing?  All of a sudden, joining choir doesn't seem so bad after all. 

You might even make new friends that you can party with afterwards. 

[Bob]

My reaction at how the thread went offtopic XD

It's the beginning of the old man/get off my lawn phase.  Haha.

This is a First World problem thread.


In a semester, all this stuff will be straightened out.  Rach4 will be able to sing fine, or well enough for non-major choir and ear training courses.

In a way, I think it kind of puts down voice study though.  What other group can you just put someone without any training into?  Choir? It wouldn't work too well for band (although that's how some are taught...).

Amusing too.  I went through something similar.  A little confusion about ear training? ... Guess what?  I just put you in choir!  It's a requirement anyway so you might as well get it done. I then mumbled my way through a choir.   And they really needed practice rooms that don't let sound out and have covers over the doors to make ear training practice less of a self-conscious thing.

Joe Blow is amazed when someone can just hold a pitch or sing a melody.  Some people will think you're a genius, "musically gifted" if you can do just that. 

Ear training is something you can practice with another person.  There are advantages there.  A tape recorder can get pretty close though too.

[quantum]

What other group can you just put someone without any training into?  Choir? It wouldn't work too well for band (although that's how some are taught...).

Keyboard is usually the other music major requirement.  Usually basic stuff like scales, triads, simple melodies.  Of course to pianists, this is nothing.  But non-keyboardists still need to learn all that stuff and perform tests to pass courses. 

[faulty_damper]

After going through the music program, the thing I'm thankful for are friends who can sing Happy Birthday in tune.  You don't know how much this will make you cry.  You don't know how much this will mean to you until you're at a TGI Fridays and someone else has a birthday there and it sounds like **** because they are creating atonal music in an attempt to sing.  Be thankful that in a couple of years when you graduate, you'll also be able to sing in tune.

[the_fervid_pig]

I think if I was in a restaurant and my friends started singing Happy Birthday to me, in tune or otherwise, they'd be finishing their meal through a straw.

[Bob]

Keyboard is usually the other music major requirement.  Usually basic stuff like scales, triads, simple melodies.  Of course to pianists, this is nothing.  But non-keyboardists still need to learn all that stuff and perform tests to pass courses. 

That's what I was thinking.  This situation sounds much better than lacking basic keyboard skills.  The music majors who are forced into practicing piano seemed like they were suffering more than people forced to sing.  Lot of hate for piano those people generated.

[cabbynum]

The fact that millions of people have taken it does provide validity, just like IQ tests are valid.  Whether or not it purports to what it tests is another issue, just like IQ tests.

I think IQ tests are accurate in certain situations. I've taken it multiple times.
Only once was with a psychiatrist that I trusted and wasn't nervous with. I was still nervous and uncomfortable just way less.
That score is significantly higher than the time I took it with one that I was terrified of.
There is a difference of about 50 points. So while the IQ test can be valid. It can also be very wrong.