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Offline davide n.

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Do you know this piece?
« on: August 29, 2013, 08:27:19 PM »
Hi guys,

I would be grateful to whoever can tell me the name of this piece

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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 11:05:34 PM »
Sounds Romantic.

I thought Mahler at first.  Then Brahms or Mendelsohn. 

instrumentation?
Strings, high, low.  I hear pizzicato.
French horn?
Harp?
Oboe.

Not Elgar.  I heard something that reminded me of him though. 

Russian a bit.... Gliere-sounding in parts...


I don't think I've heard it before. 

Second/slow movement from something?

I'm hearing Tchaikovsky now.  Ballet music?  But with a Mahler twinge in places.... Dang.  Not Schubert.... 

Hm.  I got nothing.
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 11:06:22 PM »
Why not ask the uploader itself?
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #3 on: August 30, 2013, 04:59:02 AM »
The uploader is asking, that is why she posted it. Spent a good amount of time searching but found nothing. It's bugging me now.

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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #4 on: August 31, 2013, 11:05:17 AM »
Well, it's strange. I find this melody very beautiful, pretty "pop-friendly" but apparently unknown.
I thought it was easier to recognize... Please spread the word! :D

I agree with bob, it sounds romantic, I would say from a german composer, composed between 1820 and 1870. Instrumentation is very classical, rhythm pretty simple, but harmony...

The first seconds remind me of Beethoven or Mozart, but then harmony changes, something later in time, similar to Brahms, then again at 00:30 something of Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff. At 43 the violins so high with woodwinds in triplets... I just love triplets.


Are you sure it is an oboe at 00:31? You're not the first who says that.

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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #5 on: August 31, 2013, 03:30:28 PM »
English horn?  Still sounds like an oboe, at :31 and the end of this clip.

I'm leaning toward Tchaikovsky or Brahms.  Or someone imitating that style.

And I'll go with this being am "amateur" group (including college/university in amateur).  Or at least the oboist isn't on par with the rest of the group.  The oboe sounds a little out of time to me.

Could be part of a concerto or opera.  There's a transition in it. It's the end of one section, beginning of another.  Could be filler material before/after a soloist is in.

Are those clarinets around 0:46-1:00?  That would tell us more. 

Orchestral... I'm guessing this is an original work, not a transcription.

Hmm... What else?  It's tonal.  I'm not sure which key.  Duple division of the beat.   Something different around :20 with the melody related to the beat.  Second half of this snippet.... The melody doesn't land on the beat a lot.  It's floating on it.
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #6 on: August 31, 2013, 03:31:56 PM »
D Major at the start, going to f# minor by the end?

Sharp keys for strings, less like to be a transcription unless they shifted the key.  I'm not getting that feeling though. 
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #7 on: August 31, 2013, 03:42:23 PM »
Tempo... Andante? 


Triplets in the accompaniment in those 'clarinets' in the second part.  Making me think opera.

Slow movement from something?  Not scherzo.

The second part of this has a triplet division of the beat?  That explains the oboist feeling a little off, so maybe not so amateur.

The ritard in the middle makes me think Gliere.  Russian.

Anything of that melody/motive to go off of? 

It does seem like it set up nicely for a vocalist or piano to come in at some point. 


Lot of noise in the recording.  And someone banging around... I wonder if this is a bootleg recording from a live recording.  I don't hear any vinyl record static pops, etc.  So it would be something that's still performed today or at least on CD.  I'm getting a live performance/bootleg recording vibe, as opposed to someone recording a CD.  The music sounds too good to be piped out of speakers and recorded again.
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #8 on: August 31, 2013, 03:43:54 PM »
Could sort through this stuff if it's Brahms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Johannes_Brahms_by_genre

Something slow in D or f#....



I'm thinking Russian ballet though too... Tchaikovsky or someone else....
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«Reply #9 on: August 31, 2013, 05:57:16 PM »
I wonder if this is a recording made by one of the performers, like a violinist or violist.  I've seen people doing that.  Probably a college ensemble then.  I doubt a professional one would have performers daring to mess with recordings while they're rehearsing. 

I'm wondering if that's the sound of a page turn at the beginning. 

No audience sounds. 

Is the balance off?  Is this a recorder sitting on a stand in the string section?  That could explain why the oboe is easy to hear.  Strings are easy to hear.    The stand would be blocking a lot of sound.

I still hear a room though.  A bump in the distance.

The beginning sounds like paper moving -- a page turn -- followed by some writing.  The last disruption sounds like someone picking up the recorder maybe or another page turn.


The youtube poster is Italian.  Doesn't know the titles of lots of things.  Refers to this piece as a song, so I'm guessing they're not a music major.  Probably a teenager.


I'd lean towards this sound clip being from a movie. The youtube poster sitting in a room recording this clip.  That would make it pretty difficult to find, unless it's a movie that borrowed some actual classical music.
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #10 on: August 31, 2013, 06:07:46 PM »
Hi Bob, interesting challenge!

Well, this video comes from someone who recorded something played on the radio, simply. That's why it seems so "amateur". And no, "brano" means exactly "piece of music", definitely not "song" (canzone). The original request is here http://it.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Apsd.7iM1kzYtkHFO5C3CszwDQx.;_ylv=3?qid=20130825085313AAEjPWm

By the way, I would say it is an Adagio/Larghetto. Listen carefully when the clarinets play at about 50, tempo is about 60bpm.

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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #11 on: August 31, 2013, 06:20:40 PM »
Has anyone else tried those websites that recognize melodies? I've tried a few but none seem to find any matches. Then again I've only used the first 20 seconds of the clip, which definitely starts somewhere in the middle of the phrase. I also tried the oboe melody with the minor seconds but no luck there either.

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«Reply #12 on: September 02, 2013, 02:05:27 AM »
I still hear Gliere.  What about Borodin or one of those guys? 

There are dictionaries of melodies.  Print though.


I like the piece.  I'd like to hear the rest.


Hm.  It's orchestral, probably originally orchestral.  Instrumentation doesn't really help, but... There's also what it doesn't have.  It doesn't have brass.  No percussion.  Just strings and woodwinds.  But those might be clarinets.  That could narrow in on the time period.  I'm thinking it won't help much though. 

It's sounds a bit chromatic.  The key sounds like it shifts from D Major to f# minor, a minor third.  That's Romantic.  I think.  If it's actually shifting keys like that.

If it's Mozart, it could be one of those funky pieces toward his end.  A slow movement.  I'm thinking not though.

The call and response bit between strings and oboe might tell us something.  There's a conversation going on there.

Why didn't the youtube poster get a longer sound clip?  There would be more to go on...

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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #13 on: September 02, 2013, 02:12:37 AM »
I'm hearing Puccini, but can't narrow it down. Obviously I mean an overture or some such, not an aria.
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #14 on: September 02, 2013, 02:50:36 AM »
If it's on the radio, does that tell us anything?  At most it's probably only semi-obscure.  A lot of classical stations are "top 40" classical/easy listening classical music.  I'd lean towards not extremely popular, but not extremely obscure.  Which means it's findable.  All the more tantalizing then.

The triplets, yeah.  Maybe someone Italian?  Rossini? 
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«Reply #15 on: September 02, 2013, 02:52:39 AM »
Nah,  I'm leaning away from Italian now.


It's got those rising strings at the end too....  Sounds kind of chromatic, kind of ethnic...
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«Reply #16 on: September 02, 2013, 02:53:30 AM »
What about Gounod?
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #17 on: September 02, 2013, 02:54:57 AM »
It's not Mahler.
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«Reply #18 on: September 02, 2013, 03:03:33 AM »
Someone's got a decent sound system.  Ok recorder -- I think that introduced noise.  Anything I record from speakers always sounds crappy on the recording. 
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«Reply #19 on: September 02, 2013, 03:08:52 AM »
There's an extra sound at the very end.  Sounds like "Daaa"  Like someone saying Dad or a tape winding sound.  Probably extra environment sounds.
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«Reply #20 on: September 02, 2013, 03:13:14 AM »
There might be a French horn.

And... a saxophone?  At the end of the one phrase, is that a sax?
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #21 on: September 03, 2013, 06:48:50 AM »
I tried with Shazam and Musipedia, but I found nothing.

First notes are: 4xC#3 4xG3 8xE3 8xC#3 4xE3 2xD3 8xC#3 8xB2 8xA2 8xF#3 8xD3 8xB3 4xB3 8xA3 8xG3 4G3

4x means quarter note, 8x means eighth note

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«Reply #22 on: September 03, 2013, 01:42:48 PM »
Very similar sounding....



Could maybe try a search along those lines.
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«Reply #23 on: September 04, 2013, 04:12:41 AM »
It's not Ravel's Mother Goose Suite....  Doesn't sound like that at all.
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«Reply #24 on: September 04, 2013, 04:17:06 AM »
The orchestra also sounds small.  Thin orchestration.

The original youtube poster could have contacted the radio station or checked their website.  I would think those places keep a list of what was broadcast.  Probably too late now.
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«Reply #25 on: September 04, 2013, 04:22:04 AM »
Doesn't sound like Tchaikovsky, at least not

Tchaikovsky - Opera "Eugene Onegin" (excerpts), Op. 24


It's melodic though. 

And there's a quick change from duple to triplet at the ritard around :15 in...   It threw my ears off for a while.

I wonder if it's folk related.  Or maybe Grieg.  Something from a suite of pieces....
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«Reply #26 on: September 04, 2013, 04:44:16 AM »
Doesn't sound big.  Doesn't quite sound like a professional orchestra.

I still hear Mahler...

If this is a short segment, being this melodic, it would have to reuse that material somewhere else.  Either a piece, or something more or less elaborate.

I get the feeling it's a short piece or something where it's thinned out, possibly 'filler' material....

But the meter changes.  That sounds more like a section change than just filler.


:00-:14 It's the end of something.  In duple divisions.
:15 Something new, more expressive.  Triple divisions.  Tempo varies more.
:31 Something new again.  That's where it was leading.
:45 Strings reply
:58 Oboe replies back...


Hm.  And the obvious -- If it's an orchestra, there would be a director.  The tempo changes a bit, so it would be a crappy high school group.  The beginning sounds like it could be. 

A bit before :42 makes me think it's going to do a giant swell at some point.  But it doesn't, at least here...

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«Reply #27 on: September 04, 2013, 04:53:56 AM »
*Bob attempts to scan through Mahler...*   This clip sounds too concise for Mahler.  Mahler is more extreme, more serious.
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«Reply #28 on: September 04, 2013, 04:54:47 AM »
*** wonders if Bob has developed OCD/ADHD
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«Reply #29 on: September 04, 2013, 10:33:12 PM »
We found that Swiss Alps pic months or years after someone asked where it was.  We'll get this one too.
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #30 on: September 05, 2013, 05:36:50 AM »
Here is the radio station where the piece was heard:

http://guidatv.sky.it/guidatv/canale/sky-radio.shtml

I'm not sure if this will be any help at all but who knows... I haven't been able to find any playlists for the station but look and see anyways.

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«Reply #31 on: September 05, 2013, 05:59:20 AM »
Here is the radio station where the piece was heard:

http://guidatv.sky.it/guidatv/canale/sky-radio.shtml

I'm not sure if this will be any help at all but who knows... I haven't been able to find any playlists for the station but look and see anyways.
Yes... but the recording goes back to 2 years ago. (How would you say correctly?) This was recorded only 2 years ago.

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«Reply #32 on: September 05, 2013, 11:52:51 PM »
Do you know if it was on a certain channel?  Like "Classical" or "Romantic" or "German Romantic composers who's name starts with S?"  Something like that?
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«Reply #33 on: September 05, 2013, 11:56:44 PM »
Sky10 must be some kind of media broadcast service.

I suppose that eliminates any music written in the last two years though.  In case we were wondering about that....

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«Reply #34 on: September 06, 2013, 12:14:11 AM »
It was heard on channel 700 (Sky Radio) according to the uploader's post:

http://it.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Apsd.7iM1kzYtkHFO5C3CszwDQx.;_ylv=3?qid=20130825085313AAEjPWm

I'm guessing the station plays all different kinds of music.

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«Reply #35 on: September 06, 2013, 12:20:19 AM »
Apparently you have to be a member to send an email to the Sky customer support. Hm...

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«Reply #36 on: September 06, 2013, 01:02:52 AM »
Do they keep track of that stuff for two years?  I would think they purge the list after a while, if they even bother to keep track at all.  They might subscribe to a catalog and play whatever they want from that for a fee.
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«Reply #37 on: September 06, 2013, 05:23:56 AM »
I'll ask my music professors. Maybe they will bring up something useful  ;D

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«Reply #38 on: September 06, 2013, 09:01:47 AM »
I'll ask my music professors. Maybe they will bring up something useful  ;D
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«Reply #39 on: September 10, 2013, 12:18:44 AM »
I'm leaning a little toward Brahms because of the rhythm. Duple to triple.  Brahms wanted to find something different for his symphonies and he used rhythm.

Except the push and pull of it doesn't sound like Brahms... It sounds Russian to me... and not yet Late Romantic.  It's sentimental but not over the top, actual epic, in scale.
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«Reply #40 on: September 11, 2013, 04:18:26 AM »
Hm..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhold_Gli%C3%A8re
Because of the rising strings at the end the push/pull/sighing idea.

There's also a change of style... And the orchestration isn't filled out... Maybe a piece from a younger composer, earlier time in their career?  

It's an orchestra, symphony...  full, not just strings... Although I don't hear much brass or percussion...  Maybe it's something smaller... Small ensemble...

Yes... It doesn't sound like a full orchestra.  If it is a full orchestra, the composer isn't making use of that.  It doesn't have a broad sound at all.  I'm listening to orchestra clips.  They're very different.


Could be a piece for a student orchestra...


It's very melodic.  Easily accessible.  

The harmonies would give some indication.  And all that ornament work in the melody.


Or... It's just recorded imperfectly.  Hm.   Or... large orchestra but not using a lot of it... That sounds like Mahler.  I still hear Russian though.  Maybe it's another composer from that area...

I'm still leaning toward Gliere or one of those guys.


Small ensemble... chamber group...  Smaller than an orchestra, but bigger than a sextet...  Strings, clarinets.... What else is there?  Possibly a French horn?  Possibly a sax?  A sax would be great to narrow down the time.... Unless it was an arrangement.


If it was on an online radio stations, I'd lean toward classical or movie music, not a student orchestra piece.  A local radio station might play a student piece... I don't see an online radio channel doing that.
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«Reply #41 on: September 15, 2013, 02:29:43 AM »
I'll go with full orchestra.  This is a recording of online music... It's lost the full sound of an orchestra.  It's a recording of audio coming out of speakers.

Which could bring Mahler back into, but it doesn't quite sound like him.

I'd go with Gliere.  Russians.
Then maybe Mahler or Brahms.  Which sounds a little strange to list those together. 


Hmmm...
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«Reply #42 on: September 15, 2013, 07:46:11 AM »
Hi Bob,

You listed some Russian/Ukrainian and German composers: what if it is from a French, Czech or some other composers?

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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #43 on: July 20, 2015, 11:05:01 PM »
It's been two years. Time to resurrect this.

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«Reply #44 on: July 21, 2015, 01:14:39 AM »
I know.  I was surprised.  I thought this was a few months ago.

I like the piece though.

Just one post on youtube.... Oboe concerto.  That's an interesting idea.  Film?  Hm....

This is either recorded off a sound system or live.  I don't hear any people.  I'm leaning toward a recording, but it does sound really good for speakers....  So live then.  With either no or a quiet audience...  Is that an oboe for sure?  Not English horn?

The strings are out of tune in the beginning.  That's making me think it's live.  Student group? 


This piece and that piano piece... We should put together a list of top ten mystery pieces that appeared here.

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«Reply #45 on: July 21, 2015, 01:22:46 AM »
Grr.... This is going to drive me nuts.  I'm going through the same thought process as before I see.

Recorded off the radio or Sky TV.  Ok.
Recorded from 2011, if that matters.

Probably worth broadcasting then.  I wonder about the out of tune strings.... It could be a school group who was performing on tv I suppose.


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«Reply #46 on: July 21, 2015, 01:23:57 AM »
This is a snippet.  So what would surround it?  And would that be the whole piece or is this just a movement?  If it's a movement, it's a slow movement.
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«Reply #47 on: July 21, 2015, 01:40:29 AM »
@#$#@~!   Doze off... I took notes, but hit the reply button again, half asleep.

It's not the third mvt from Mahler, I, II, III, IV, VI, VI.
I'm leaning away from Mahler.
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«Reply #48 on: July 21, 2015, 02:37:47 AM »
What about Smetana?
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Re: Do you know this piece?
«Reply #49 on: July 21, 2015, 03:48:04 PM »
My music professors never got back to me on it. Maybe I'll shoot them another email.