Problem with trill

[lflp]

Hi there

In the sonata K331 in A-major by Mozart I have a problem how
to play this trill. Please see inserted image the notation "tr".
Can someone please help me. Thanks in advance. I am from Denmark,
so the English language is not naturel to me.

Greetings
Flemming Pedersen

[awesom_o]

Hello Flemming!

It's a wonderful spot, this trill!

Are you having problems physically making the trill sound good with the hand on the instrument?

Or do you not know which/how many notes to include in the trill?

[lflp]

Hi

Thank you very much for your answer. My question concerns the
second part of your answer: which notes to play.
From the theory I know a "tr" sign means trill and has to be
played changing between the main note (here B) and the upper diatonic nabour note
(here C# - becaurse the piece is in A#). Played in this way: C# - B - A -B C# - C#
however is not congruent with what I hear when I play the Sonata on a CD-player.

Thanks Again
Flemming

[awesom_o]

You need a few more notes in there to make it a trill

Try playing it as C#-B-C#-B  as the trill, before going on to the A-B-C#  C# part.

Without advanced technique, it's going to be difficult to make this spot sound good.

Who do you have playing it on CD?

[lflp]

Thanks Again - I will try that.

The album is: classical Chamber Music

[lflp]

Well wel ... what happened?

The album is: Classical Chamber Music
                     Mozart Piano Sonatos
                     played by: Margarete Babinsky

HI
Flemming

[lflp]

When I hear Babinsky play the trill it more sounds (to me)
that she is playing A - B  - A - B - C# - C# -
but what do I know?

Flemming

[lflp]

Hi awesom_o

If you are interested, I can send you an e-mail, where
the sonata is attached The files are .mp3 files and the sonata is
divided in three parts:

K331 - 1 (30 MB)
K331 - 2 (16 MB)
K331 - 3 (9 MB)

Greetings
Flemming

[lojay]

Generally whenever I see a tr I start it on the note that the tr is written over.  I always trill up (never down).

In this case, I would do B - C# - B for the tr which occurs in the duration of a 16th note (or semiquaver).

I'm unfamiliar with the recording, but if you can upload it on the forums (click on additional options) or post a link to the file, I'll give it a listen.

[lojay]

Generally whenever I see a tr I start it on the note that the tr is written over.

Actually, the more I think about it, this is not really true.

I always trill up (never down).

However, this is.

I should clarify what I meant by trill up; I mean taking the note above the note marked with tr for the trill.

[awesom_o]

I prefer to trill from the note above when playing in the Classical style. Occasionally there are exceptions, but not too many.

[iansinclair]

In classical and baroque, one trills -- unless it is written specifically otherwise -- starting on the upper note.  If the composer meant otherwise, they will use a different ornament (there are whole catalogues of these things!).  Further, the trill is meant to be in time.  In this instance, start on the upper note (C#).  My inclination would be to make it into six notes total -- C#,B,C#,B,A,B -- as that seems to fit the overall tempo and feel.

[j_menz]

In classical and baroque, one trills -- unless it is written specifically otherwise -- starting on the upper note.  If the composer meant otherwise, they will use a different ornament (there are whole catalogues of these things!).  Further, the trill is meant to be in time.  In this instance, start on the upper note (C#).  My inclination would be to make it into six notes total -- C#,B,C#,B,A,B -- as that seems to fit the overall tempo and feel.

+1 on all points.