chopin etude 25 2

[swagmaster420x]

ez etude cuz i cant play anything else, i dont actually practice this etude for real at all, i just play it as warm up. but atm it's the only piece i can play from beginning to end


some notes are missing, part of it because my badness part because i hate this piano, the keys are harder to press than normal i think, or actually it's cuz some keys are deader than others
it's definitely better than if it were a live performance, <----- which i suck at

[awesom_o]

You can certainly play the correct notes at quite a clip.

What is missing for me is the flexibility of sound....the rubato.....and the legato melody in the LH.

The effect is very "notey" in both hands. We want to hear the music, not the notes.

[swagmaster420x]

Some of the left hand notes are separated by a lot so ive gotten used to not playing legato due to my hand instimctively jumping "sharply" to reach them. Also my pedal doesnt work soooooooo lol

Thanks for your input i will try playing more musically. It is easier fior me to get in a musical mood when i speed up rather than slow
Down in terms of rubato

[awesom_o]

You need to stop thinking about rubato in terms of speeding up and slowing down.

Rubato is about understanding the flow of rhythmic energy well enough that you can play in a way that is both 'correct' and 'musical' at the same time.

In short, it's about really knowing your stuff.

[swagmaster420x]

I must admit that my musical understanding of this piece is limited. But, I like how it sounds when I accelerate the notes into a 'rush' that I can feel - wouldn't that be rubato? I know there is a difference between simply changing speed and executing a musical rubato, but the bottom line is that a rubato denotatively is an acceleration. My phrasing it as such doesn't mean I don't know what it connotes in addition to what it denotes.

[awesom_o]

Rubato is not one static thing. Rubato is a language that one must develop fluency with in order to become an effective musical communicator.

Right now what you are doing is just accelerating..... and you sound a bit like a car whose breaks have failed going down a steep hill.

Even though the touch is even, and both hands know the part really well, it sounds oddly mechanical, not organic.

You certainly have many of the right ideas and I think you are getting really really close to a great performance.

Maybe you could incorporate that idea of wonderful, flowing-forward time that you have into an overall gentler, more delicate atmosphere??

[swagmaster420x]

Thanks for your input, playing musically is definitely the main thing i need to qork on

[awesom_o]

I enjoyed hearing your musical ideas!

Do you play any other Chopin Etudes?

And are you still smoking that awful swag?
I really think some primo kush would help your musical ideas develop!!

[swagmaster420x]

no, i've only tried 10 4, which i gave up on because I didnt have enough time. really the pieces im actually practicing atm are shostakovich piano concerto 2 and york bowen toccata, i play this etude to warm up my fingers along with hanon and mebbe some czerny sight reading attempts

and i didnt even know swag was a form of weed

nice dreads btw

[awesom_o]

oh I've had short hair for quite some time now.

I love to sightread Czerny studies.... so difficult if you treat them with the same level of musical respect as Chopin's!

Do you improvise?

[swagmaster420x]

i agree, i czerny is worlds different from hanon; the pieces are very musical.

i don't improvise, it seems very hard, though it is one of the things i want to learn the most
(but i have pieces to practice... no time i take lessons and im assigned piece for recital etc)

[awesom_o]

i don't improvise, it seems very hard, though it is one of the things i want to learn the most
(but i have pieces to practice... no time i take lessons and im assigned piece for recital etc)

It's only as hard as you make it. You start with 'easier' stuff and gradually build the complexity and scope of what you are doing over time!

The more advanced your technique is, the more your imagination can construct.

The more your imagination grows, the more disgusting your technique becomes 

Do you have pitch recognition? And did you go far in music theory?

[swagmaster420x]

It's only as hard as you make it. You start with 'easier' stuff and gradually build the complexity and scope of what you are doing over time!

The more advanced your technique is, the more your imagination can construct.

The more your imagination grows, the more disgusting your technique becomes 

Do you have pitch recognition? And did you go far in music theory?

well, sometimes when im spamming keys just for fun i hear something that sounds interesting

my pitch recognition is horrible i think, whenever i'm trying to find the notes to a song i always play random notes trying to guess the right ones until i hit them. recently ive been trying to sound out the c  major scale in my head so i can "guess" the distance between two notes, but it's still hard

i did certificate of merit, a ridiculously easy test due to the abysmally low average skill of test takers, and there was pitch recognition and music theory portion, which i studied for the week(s) before and forgot for the most part

[awesom_o]

Spamming keys is not the way to go about increasing your technical capacity or powers of imagination!

Listen carefully to the sounds you produce, it will really challenge your concentration in a whole new way!

Devote 5 minutes to this every day and I guarantee if you listen hard and focus on what the piano is trying to tell you, you will make progress. Real progress.

[swagmaster420x]

i don't know how people improvise fast note progessions like arpeggios or w/e. i cant even play scales/arpeggios i havent practiced fluidly, how da fk am i supposed to improvise dat.

Also when i play music, i dont know what it actually sounds like until i play  it a high enough speed. Im concerned I won't ever be able to compose something with fast notes, cuz I won't know what the fast notes will sound like until i am able to play it at that speed, but i wont be able to compose such fast notes because i cant play them. I hope that makes sense  .

or i can use software to help me compose... lol composing is something i really want to learn

[awesom_o]

Ok, this is going to sound strange at first, but trust me.

The problem with your playing is a very common one. You play too fast, but you don't don't very good control of velocity.

It comes from all of this worrying about speed and fast notes. And the fact that you don't know how something actually sounds at a slow speed.

If you could just GET COMFORTABLE with the sound at a s-l-o-w tempo WITHOUT f***king up the rhythm, your playing would become much better. You have skills but this is a big problem causing you to plateau.

You mustn't use software to compose. It's about counterpoint. You need to learn to apply counterpoint at the keyboard. In order to do this you must be able to think quickly and also have good rhythm In order to listen to more than one thing at once.  I can show you.

 

[swagmaster420x]

actually, just today i took a more musical approach to the pieces im playing due to your comments; i slowed down the tempo i normally played at substantially so I could draw out the sound better. I have to say that it's helped a lot, thanks for pointing that out. So I'm already aware of the merits of practicing slowly not to just get the notes right, but as a very DELIBERATE form of practice that allows for musicality. I previously wasn't as aware of how significant this is. You may have significantly changed my practicing habits.

i can play things slowly with correct rhythm

and i totally get what you mean by counterpoint, thats the whole point of composing a piece for the piano as opposed to a solo flute piece. i want to be able to compose a counterpoint that's more than just whole note chords, l0L.

but it stilll seems very difficult for me to tell how something sounds when played at the proper speed when I play it slowly x_x

[awesom_o]

Good practice loads this way and don't even  let your teacher know you changed. Just let her or him notice the change.

This is how I always practice things. I don't just bomb through them like a madman.

Yeah it's all about counterpoint you gotta lay it down old school.

The proper speed isn't the one someone else plays at.
Worrying about getting things to some weird, abstract, non-musical idea of 'proper speed' is something people do all the time!

A virtuoso thinks about musical velocity!

[swagmaster420x]

yeah, my musical maturity has been developing for quite some time now. I think it was a combination of that and me looking at examples of rubato more carefully, and ALSO finally hearing what i sound like on video that enabled me to reach this epiphany i guess.

im constantly astounded btw by how like liszt has such complex counterpoint... like how the fk did he imagine it and mesh it together with the other part in his mind..... what? this needs some genius

also alkan... which is no comment

i was very impressed by this ^
ps what is your nationality??? r u some english faget

[liszt1022]

This etude is only easy to people who play it in 3/4. Group the RH in triplets.

[awesom_o]

This etude is only easy to people who play it in 3/4. Group the RH in triplets.

This is also 100% correct, I'm afraid. It took me a really long time to really get the swing on this one.

[swagmaster420x]

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Cani see the sheets for some of ur music also vids or recordings of u playing them

[awesom_o]

Send me your email address.

That's the only video of me playing my own work, I'm afraid. I should be making some better videos, with better sound equipment, soon which will feature some other works.