I there any method to figure out fingering for these random notes?

[musicioso]

Hallo guys, i have got a software that helps me to recognise notes, intervals, chords.

And now i have this level that the notes come pretty fast, and i have strugle with hitting the notes fast enough. So my question is if there is a method for figuring out an effective fingering that allows me to play this effectively.

Here is an example of the exercise

[awesom_o]

Don't hit the notes! The piano is your friend. You don't hit your friend!

The best fingering method is finger-substitution. It's where you play a note with one finger, but almost instantly switch to another finger to hold that note down.

Also, your 'software' probably isn't helping you recognize anything.

Great pianists existed before software. 
It's all about having extreme mental hardware!

Finger substitution will help you get there, though.

[Bob]

The method would be to try it out on an actual keyboard.

I don't quite see the point, but...

It's all white keys.  Feeling where the black keys are might help.  A computer won't do that though.

Probably lots of 1s and 5s or 4s.  Maybe clustering them would work for a few.

It might not matter.  2 or 3 if you're just plucking a note out a long way from the others, where you have to lift the hand up and move it.

No meter.  No dynamics.  If it was FFF, something like 3 with the thumb holding 3 in place could work. No tempo either.

This reminds me of that typing program where letter fly across the screen and you're supposed to type them.  If you've gotten this far, I'd work on an actual piece instead of this stuff.  You're probably beyond the benefit of note naming at this point. 

Even the first line though... makes me wonder... You need to be able to do this stuff yourself.  A computer isn't really helping.  Maybe for some ideas, for curiosity.  Even the chords though -- It depends on context.  It could be some extended chord missing some notes, and that might make better sense than analysis at first glance.

[nyiregyhazi]

Don't use any fingering. Do it as a mental exercise. Look at the note rather than play it.

If you really want to play the notes, use a single finger. In one way this takes it as far away from normal playing as possible. It makes primarily a mental exercise rather than a physical one. Normal thinking would likely lead to unpleasant contortions which would cause bad technique. In another sense, using one finger will promote the best technique for big intervals, where the arm carries you sideways and where alignment of the wrist is never broken.

[timothy42b]

Don't use any fingering. Do it as a mental exercise. Look at the note rather than play it.

 

It's a computer program, it checks his work.  He has to press the key within a time period.  It's like Mavis Beacon for typing.

I suggest this.  Always play low notes with left hand 5, always place high notes with left hand 1, if the next note is higher shift fingers (hold the note and move a different finger onto it.   As much as you can don't look at the keyboard. 

[nyiregyhazi]

It's a computer program, it checks his work.  He has to press the key within a time period.  It's like Mavis Beacon for typing.

I suggest this.  Always play low notes with left hand 5, always place high notes with left hand 1, if the next note is higher shift fingers (hold the note and move a different finger onto it.   As much as you can don't look at the keyboard.  

I appreciate that it's a computer programme, but if you need verification to find out if you were right or not, you need a method for being certain - not external verification. When I read a note, I either know that I know it or I know that I don't know it. If I'm halfway, I'll assume that i don't and quickly use a method to calculate it. When sight reading under pressure, you occasionally have to take some guesses, but it's more about the sheer density of notes. It's not that any individual note is hard to read, but rather that there's too much going on to rigorously double-check them all. I don't encounter individual notes where I'd need something to tell me if I'm right or not. The only exception to certainty of recognition is with extreme leger lines. Again, I never guess on a whim though, unless I absolutely have to press on. If I know it, I play it with certainty. If I don't, I count up the letters in thirds or compare to a near by note that I know for definite. Then I know for sure what it is.

I appreciate that this is because I have experience, but the best way to  get the finest experience is to stop guessing, be your own marker and never proceed without utter certainty (except in a very small minority of pressured reading practise). Until you're totally one hundred percent certain of the notes, never have a go on a mere inkling. Find a quick but infallible method instead. Only when any single note (other than those involving four or more leger lines) is known for certain at first sight, is there any need to pressure yourself. It just ruins the foundations to rush things that you haven't been double checking for yourself. stage one is to be capable of top quality self observation . Only with that foundation set in stone is it time to throw caution to the wind and start taking gambles.

[nyiregyhazi]

Just to summarise that - while most people speak of the need to work under pressure in good sight reading, it's precisely because most people don't acquire the skills required to  rigorously verify every note before playing it, that it's impossible to work effectively under pressure. If it takes a computer to say yes or no, there's too much guesswork and too little methodology behind development of the reading.

[Bob]

I was thinking someone is developing an app or program to sell.

If it's for beginners, I don't think it would be so bad.  Similar to using flashcards for drill. 

The fingering part is a little different.  There are patterns to how fingerings are done though.  Left hand... If it's low, 5 or 4.  If high, maybe 1.  Other fingerings use scales or arpeggios.  Generally avoid the thumb on black keys if possible. 

[nyiregyhazi]

I was thinking someone is developing an app or program to sell.

If it's for beginners, I don't think it would be so bad.  Similar to using flashcards for drill.  

The fingering part is a little different.  There are patterns to how fingerings are done though.  Left hand... If it's low, 5 or 4.  If high, maybe 1.  Other fingerings use scales or arpeggios.  Generally avoid the thumb on black keys if possible.  

the problem is that anyone who'd need to do such exercises probably won't have the technical experience to do this type of thing without getting it wrong and risking very bad habits. With all those huge leaps it's like asking a beginner to play la campanella. Even if they can read the notes correctly and go very slowly, they'll probably do completely the wrong style of movement for the leaps- involving awkward reaching in the wrist rather than lateral dragging of an aligned forearm behind each note. for that reason, one finger is the safest (with sideways movements of the entire arm to get behind each note) or better still just do it as a mental exercise without actually playing the key. Any attempt to finger it will be actively inviting horrible contortions of the wrist, for all but the most technically experienced. Practise on linking one note to another within the natural patterns of actual music is far better than trying to link random notes.