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Offline illusionary

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Good piano trios to play?
on: December 07, 2013, 05:04:00 PM
Nothing too taxing to play so nothing beyond grade 8. I don't know many piano trios so I thought I might ask :P

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 06:35:05 PM
Any piano trio will be quite a bit harder than grade 8.

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
Any piano trio will be quite a bit harder than grade 8.

This.
I know its miles beyond grade 8 and it has nothing to do with your question, but I cannot see the phrase "piano trio" and not express my love for Ravel's. It's magical.
Chopin First Scherzo
Guarnieri Ponteios
Ravel Sonatine
Rachmaninoff Prelude op. 32 no. 10
Schumann Kinderszenen
Debussy Brouillards
Bach, Bach, Bach...

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 11:25:51 PM
It's also one of the most difficult!

Speaking of difficult, I just finished reading through the 'Dumky' Trio of Dvorak!

Definitely beyond grade 8....

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #4 on: December 08, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
It's also one of the most difficult!

Speaking of difficult, I just finished reading through the 'Dumky' Trio of Dvorak!

Definitely beyond grade 8....

Are you going to perform it? If so, please record it! I would love to hear your rendition
Chopin First Scherzo
Guarnieri Ponteios
Ravel Sonatine
Rachmaninoff Prelude op. 32 no. 10
Schumann Kinderszenen
Debussy Brouillards
Bach, Bach, Bach...

Offline g_s_223

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #5 on: December 08, 2013, 12:42:26 AM
Hmm, the trio repertoire is quite challenging. Could you find a further string player, then try the two Mozart piano quartets? Wonderful music, and most parts reasonably playable. Individual parts at IMSL as usual.

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #6 on: December 08, 2013, 12:57:18 AM
Ask Rach4.  He's like an expert in this area.
Favorite new teacher quote -- "You found the only possible wrong answer."

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #7 on: December 08, 2013, 03:08:39 AM
The Mendelssohn D Minor Trio is addictively beautiful.
Clementi, Piano Sonata in G Minor, No. 3, op. 10
W. A. Mozart, Sonata for Piano Four-Hands in F Major, K. 497
Beethoven, Piano Concerto, No. 2, op. 19

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 03:50:43 AM
Are you going to perform it? If so, please record it! I would love to hear your rendition


Yes! I will perform it with my brother and his girlfriend, who are both absolutely incredible! We will be sure to make a video of the concert!

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #9 on: December 08, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
Any piano trio will be quite a bit harder than grade 8.

That's what I feared! Thing is, I just want something that I can get on with in my own time and possibly only needing take it to my teacher once or twice. None of the trios mentioned are exceptionally beyond my ability, it's just not going to be my top priority which is why I was asking for something a bit 'easier'

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 02:07:48 PM
In order to have a good trio performance, you must have excellent communication between the pianist and the string players.

For this to occur, the pianist has to be able to play their part flawlessly, without looking down at their hands. His or her eyes are needed on the page and on the string players!

To be able to play trio parts 'hands-free' in this manner requires highly advanced technique!

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
In order to have a good trio performance, you must have excellent communication between the pianist and the string players.

For this to occur, the pianist has to be able to play their part flawlessly, without looking down at their hands. His or her eyes are needed on the page and on the string players!

To be able to play trio parts 'hands-free' in this manner requires highly advanced technique!

Although I completely agree with your point, you haven't answered my question.

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
Try the Beethoven op. 1 no. 3 in C minor!

Definitely leave Ravel, Tchaikovsky, and Dvorak for another day!

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #13 on: December 08, 2013, 03:27:34 PM
Try the Beethoven op. 1 no. 3 in C minor!

Definitely leave Ravel, Tchaikovsky, and Dvorak for another day!

will have a look, thanks!

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #14 on: December 09, 2013, 01:13:51 AM
If this is just a side project, you might also consider Bach's accompanied sonatas for violin, BWV 1014-1019, and playing with the cello doubling the bass of the harpsichord part.  Musically rich, but very low pressure, especially with the cello doubling your left hand.
Beethoven: An die Ferne Geliebte
Franck: Sonata in A Major
Vieuxtemps: Sonata in Bb Major for Viola
Prokofiev: Sonata for Flute in D Major

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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 03:01:05 AM
I just performed the Beethoven op. 1, no 3 -- it is transparent and virtuosic. Don't think for a moment it will be easy. You will have to work hard to play it well. I personally would recommend looking at the following (in reverse chronologic order of composition):

Miniatures by Frank Bridge (four collections of three works) - late Romantic, British

Four Short Works for Piano Trio by Paul Juon - late Romantic, Russian

Debussy's Piano Trio (written when he was 19, not a mature work, but a good piece even if it is a bit derivative)

Faure "Apres Une Reve" -  arranged for piano trio by Akira Eguchi. Beautiful, very playable.

Although they are long and have difficult sections, either of Schubert's Trios Op. 99 or Op. 100 are very playable and quite lovely.
 
Any of the Mozart Trios - while the cello parts are not as independent as in Beethoven or Brahms, they are still pure Mozart. Every note is perfection. My favorite is the E Major.

Any of the Haydn Trios - the cello line usually doubles with the piano bass, but this is not a bad thing. Charles Rosen devoted an entire chapter in his book, The Classical Style, to these works. They are under-played and beautiful.

I personally think the piano trio is the ultimate in chamber music. Small enough to make organization and rehearsals doable, large enough to thrill audiences and fill halls. Today we read through the Schubert 99 and the Brahms C Major.

If you need string players, visit the ACMP branch in your city or country:

https://www.acmp.net/index.php

All best wishes with your endeavor. Go for it!



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Re: Good piano trios to play?
Reply #16 on: December 21, 2013, 01:12:37 PM
Haydn wrote more trios than anyone else I've come across, they are all lovely, and many of them are well within Grade 8 for all instruments.
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