Chopin's concertos

[aki]

Number 1 or number 2?

[TT3]

number 1 !! number 2 is nice but i love the number 1..i've just started it this week
if you can you should learn them both..that's what i'm planning to do because they're both quite similar in a lot of ways...but i feel that no. 1 has more of a beautiful theme that sticks to your head better

[Sydney]

No.2  - the second movement---I don't know any words that can describe this music.
How beautiful it is...

[dlu]

neither...(if I had to pick one I'd probably pick concerto no. 1)

[pseudopianist]

The 2nd one without a doubt.

I never cared for No 1 except for the 2nd movement. I think the 2nd one has a better them (esp the 3rd movement) and the 2nd movement is one of my favourit pieces of music.

[brewtality]

number 1 but mainly because i haven't listened to number 2 enough to be familiar with it.

[BoliverAllmon]

neither...(if I had to pick one I'd probably pick concerto no. 1)

I agree. I wouldn't pick either one for my first choice, but I would probably go for no. 2.

boliver

[aki]

No.2  - the second movement---I don't know any words that can describe this music.
How beautiful it is...

yea, I don't know how to describe it either, but it touches my heart every time I listen to it.

[Irock1ce]

im learning to play the 2nd movement of the 2nd concerto for my senior recital.. sooo beautiful.

[DarkWind]

neither...(if I had to pick one I'd probably pick concerto no. 1)

I'm gonna have to go with this guy. Those Piano Concerti aren't really good, in my opinion.

[presto agitato]

As a matter of fact, number 1 is number 2 and number 2 is number 1. The one in f minor is fasr better IMO

[e60m5]

I'm gonna have to go with this guy. Those Piano Concerti aren't really good, in my opinion.

*recoils in horror*

[chromatickler]

This music needz an interpreter like RUDY to truly come alive 

[e60m5]

This music needz an interpreter like RUDY to truly come alive 

*shudders violently at the thought*

[rachlisztchopin]

I am with e60m5
geez guys why in the world don't you like chopin's piano concertos? they are amazing and perfectly written!
an interpreter would just screw them up (thats an interpreters job isnt it? to screw up a piece so people with a bad ear can listen to them with joy?
oh plz!

[rachlisztchopin]

by the way they really show that chopin is the romantic era mozart!

[aki]

I want to learn the 2nd concerto, is that very hard to play (ie harder than Rach3)?

[zemos]

Chopin's concerto in Fm (no. 2) is definitely one of the best concertos ever written! amazing. The first is beautiful, but no. 2 is in another league...

[Daevren]

I also have to agree with DarkWind, BoliverAllmon and DLu. Why listen to the piano concertos if you can listen to his sonatas(2 and 3) or his preludes? Or someone elses piano concertos?

[Alde]

2

[piano88]

Chopin's concerto in Fm (no. 2) is definitely one of the best concertos ever written! amazing. The first is beautiful, but no. 2 is in another league...

I am with e60m5
geez guys why in the world don't you like chopin's piano concertos? they are amazing and perfectly written!
an interpreter would just screw them up (thats an interpreters job isnt it? to screw up a piece so people with a bad ear can listen to them with joy?
oh plz!

Nope, sorry to shatter your illusions guys but these are heavily flawed works and don't come close to standing up against the great romantic concertos of Brahms, Schumann, Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky. Pianistically they are very good, but the orchestra is lost in both! Also, the form is terrible - Chopin alters sonata form in the 1st movement by having the 2nd subject in the tonic major and not the dominant - this is a cardinal sin in music!

As for this one:

I want to learn the 2nd concerto, is that very hard to play (ie harder than Rach3)?

Are you having a laugh.........
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[piano88]

And I missed this quote just now:

by the way they really show that chopin is the romantic era mozart!

Are you INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(BTW The 1st movement I was talking about is the em concerto)

[chopin2256]

In my opinion, Number 2 in F minor is much more technically mature and musical than the first.  Although Chopin's orchestrations are never the best, you mainly would want to listen to these pieces for the piano.  The piano is a dominant role, and the orchestration is basically backround music.  Its either the whole orchestra plays, or the piano plays with background music.  The collaboration of the orchestra and piano is poor, (definitely not as good as Rach's), nevertheless, the beauty of the piano section makes up for this.  And if Chopin dedicated time into writing music for orchestra, I am sure it would be just as awesome as his piano music.

[e60m5]

Nope, sorry to shatter your illusions guys but these are heavily flawed works and don't come close to standing up against the great romantic concertos of Brahms, Schumann, Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky. Pianistically they are very good, but the orchestra is lost in both! Also, the form is terrible - Chopin alters sonata form in the 1st movement by having the 2nd subject in the tonic major and not the dominant - this is a cardinal sin in music!

As for this one:

Are you having a laugh.........
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I think you're the one that is having a laugh.

Are you one of those people that cannot remove their heads from their colons and recognise that despite a piece being unconventional in form and structure, for example, it can still be the most beautiful piece of music ever written?

If you won't listen to and/or appreciate a work because of its "flawed" structure and form, then, well, your attitude says it all. Who cares if the orchestra does not have as big a part to play as in other romantic concerti? Does that detract from the beauty of the music at hand? Sorry, but when I listen to the Chopin concerti, I listen to them because I want to hear the two most beautiful works ever written (in my opinion); I don't listen to them and recoil in shock because "Oh no! The strings only have a couple of notes per bar! What heresy! What blasphemy!".

The ignorance with which people ignore the Chopin concerti angers me and annoys me greatly as you can most likely see. Sure, Chopin may not have been the greatest exponent of larger-scale form, but who the hell cares in the end? The music is beautiful, and that is what matters to me; not how accurately he can take a formula and apply it to a work.

And oh no!!! OMG WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO HE PUTS THE SECOND SUBJECT IN THE TONIC MAJOR!! AHHH THIS IS A SIN LET'S CRUCIFY HIM AND DENIGRATE HIS WORK!

...Attitudes like this make me sick.

Do you honestly think that Chopin didn't know what he was doing when he wrote the second subject in E Major? Do you think he was entirely ignorant of concerto form, and entirely ignorant of what came before him in the concerti of Beethoven and Mozart? 

[anda]

1st (for the 3rd part - it always gets me smiling). anyway, i never played 2nd.

i agree these are more piano pieces than concerts, but we'll just have to take them as they come. if you hate them - just don't play and don't listen! (not that they're my favourite concerts anyway, but i have to respect their right to be played by others who feel like it)

[anda]

I want to learn the 2nd concerto, is that very hard to play (ie harder than Rach3)?

NO! way easier, both technically and musically. if you love this concert and think you are technically prepared for it, then go ahead, you'll probably do a good job.
(both chopin concerts have this particularity - they "let themselves be played", pretty much all you have to do is learn them and love them, and everything will be ok)

best luck

[piano88]

I think you're the one that is having a laugh.

Are you one of those people that cannot remove their heads from their colons and recognise that despite a piece being unconventional in form and structure, for example, it can still be the most beautiful piece of music ever written?

If you won't listen to and/or appreciate a work because of its "flawed" structure and form, then, well, your attitude says it all. Who cares if the orchestra does not have as big a part to play as in other romantic concerti? Does that detract from the beauty of the music at hand? Sorry, but when I listen to the Chopin concerti, I listen to them because I want to hear the two most beautiful works ever written (in my opinion); I don't listen to them and recoil in shock because "Oh no! The strings only have a couple of notes per bar! What heresy! What blasphemy!".

The ignorance with which people ignore the Chopin concerti angers me and annoys me greatly as you can most likely see. Sure, Chopin may not have been the greatest exponent of larger-scale form, but who the hell cares in the end? The music is beautiful, and that is what matters to me; not how accurately he can take a formula and apply it to a work.

And oh no!!! OMG WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO HE PUTS THE SECOND SUBJECT IN THE TONIC MAJOR!! AHHH THIS IS A SIN LET'S CRUCIFY HIM AND DENIGRATE HIS WORK!

...Attitudes like this make me sick.

Do you honestly think that Chopin didn't know what he was doing when he wrote the second subject in E Major? Do you think he was entirely ignorant of concerto form, and entirely ignorant of what came before him in the concerti of Beethoven and Mozart? 

Erm, please review my quote and tell me if I say that these aren't beautiful works? I was merely commenting that when you put them against Brahms, Schumann and the like, they don't stand up to them musically - Chopin was a pianist, not an orchestrator. He had to be helped to actually complete these orchestral parts and many say that giving a 4 minute long orchestral introduction, when you can't orchestrate properly is where he goes wrong. There were people on the board saying that they are perfectly written, which they aren't. The piano parts in both is beautiful and rewarding to play - I should know, I've studied them both and enjoyed the experience hugely.

And, if I may say so, you're the one with your head buried up your ass, because you have an obvious attitude problem - if you can't be constructive in your comments and stop putting people down for giving THEIR opinions, then you should remove yourself from the forum. Its YOUR attitude making people sick!
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