editions with NO fingerings

[yohankwon]

(above question) besides Barenreiter and Konemann?

and I doubt that there's a chopin edition with no fingering. Is there?

[mjames]

A lot of the IMSLP stuff have no fingerings

[chopin2015]

idk, the chopin concerto e moll chopin institute edition does not have fingerings. I have a rach etude book, no fingerings. Bach does not have fingerings. Sadly, this is all I am working on right now, no fingerings

[yohankwon]

chopin concerto e moll chopin institute edition

Do you mean the National Chopin Edition (Ekier)? I looked at the sonatas and they had fingerings

[chopin2015]

no, paderewski. institut fryderyka chopina.

[chopin2015]

try paderewski. but I just looked, and the impromptus I have in that edition have fingerings. Maybe breitkopf? Check old editions, published in France and Germany.

[Bob]

Might be a dumb comment, but what about Henle?  At least it's the composer's work. 

Or copy it, white out fingerings, and recopy.

[chopin2015]

https://sausage.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/1/18/IMSLP85386-PMLP02363-Chopin_Op_35_Breitkopf_6329_first.pdf

breitkopf does not appear to have the fingerings in the sonata scores

just go for the first edition if ya don't want the fingerings.

[j_menz]

With a little judicious application of this, any edition will qualify.

[yohankwon]

With a little judicious application of this, any edition will qualify.

waste of time

[j_menz]

waste of time

Then you could just learn to completely ignore them. Works for me.

[iansinclair]

What's the matter with fingerings?  One can always try them, and if they work, fine; if they don't work, equally fine.  Even if they are the composer's own, while they may have worked for him or her they don't necessarily work for you or me.

Once in a while, though, they may illustrate an idea of emphasis -- which is perhaps worth at least looking at, if -- again -- they are the composer's.

As for me, my training was as an organist, and I've only come to piano fairly recently -- last decade or so -- and as a result a number of my preferred fingerings are, from a pianist's point of view, decidedly strange!

[cabbynum]

The only fingerings i ever look at with any influence on my playing are Liszt's. His fingerings are from him trying others and finding the best and writing it down, or he uses them to emphasize a point as Ian said. LIke in the Mazeppa, the 24 24 24 24 24 fingering is very important and it doesnt sound right if you use anything else.

[chopin2015]

The only fingerings i ever look at with any influence on my playing are Liszt's. His fingerings are from him trying others and finding the best and writing it down, or he uses them to emphasize a point as Ian said. LIke in the Mazeppa, the 24 24 24 24 24 fingering is very important and it doesnt sound right if you use anything else.

I have a different way to emphasize the importance of the repeated fingerings in the mazeppa. Yes, I learnt this etude a while back, just for kicks. It sounded great (in the octave/thirds passages, only...haha), even using the "incorrect" fingering. But, there are many instances where technique will not allow for alternate fingerings. For example, large intervals, repeating or ascending/descending. it is very difficult to alternate fingerings in this instance, and I have learnt it is best to learn the proper technique, using proper movements when repeating fingerings, instead of alternating and having to shift the angle of the arm back and forth, overall stressing more muscle groups in the upper body rather than in your palm and individual fingers.

[anima55]

Unless you're an experienced pianist who is experienced in the reasoning behind suggested fingerings and why they may or may not be helpful, the fingerings suggested in various editions 'can' be useful much of the time because they may be there to help the player use the correct legato, slur or staccato for example, or to make use of all 10 fingers. 

Some students ignore suggested fingerings because they find them difficult, perhaps because a weaker 4th finger is used or it just feels plain awkward.  It may be that the suggested fingering is not the best for 'you' personally but it's always worth giving it a try because it may be there for the reason I mentioned above.  If you always try to miss using a weaker finger, you can lose the opportunity to develop strength in that finger, thereby leaving yourself playing with 8 fingers instead of the full 10!  So it's always worth giving a suggested fingering a try before you give up on it completely, particularly if you are an inexperienced player.

[yohankwon]

Unless you're an experienced pianist who is experienced in the reasoning behind suggested fingerings and why they may or may not be helpful, the fingerings suggested in various editions 'can' be useful much of the time because they may be there to help the player use the correct legato, slur or staccato for example, or to make use of all 10 fingers.  

Some students ignore suggested fingerings because they find them difficult, perhaps because a weaker 4th finger is used or it just feels plain awkward.  It may be that the suggested fingering is not the best for 'you' personally but it's always worth giving it a try because it may be there for the reason I mentioned above.  If you always try to miss using a weaker finger, you can lose the opportunity to develop strength in that finger, thereby leaving yourself playing with 8 fingers instead of the full 10!  So it's always worth giving a suggested fingering a try before you give up on it completely, particularly if you are an inexperienced player.

I ignore suggested fingerings because it's someone else's fingering, not my own. However, sometimes my fingerings match with the suggested fingerings coincidentally