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Offline chatoto

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Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
on: January 26, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
I heard a lots of pianists saying that Mozart is so easy for the amateurs but so hard for the pros.
But no one ever regard Haydn's sonatas the same way. Why?
They are both classic,so Haydn's music should also be delicate,isn't it?
Especially the last sonata of Haydn,it is difficult by all means,both technically and musically?
What do you think?
Beethoven 4th concerto
Beethoven op.111
Ravel Une barque sur l'océan
Franck Prelude chorale et Fugue
Scriabin sonata 4

Offline brogers70

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Re: Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
OK, of course you should always aim to play everything perfectly, but it's my impression that a Haydn sonata stands up to a few imperfections in performance better than a Mozart sonata.

Offline khantallis123

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Re: Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 10:03:28 PM
I prefer Haydn over Mozart. :o

Offline slane

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Re: Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
XVI:8 is very easy isn't it?

Offline khantallis123

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Re: Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
But I like Mozart Sonatas K330-332 as much as many of Haydn's.

Offline ale_ius

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Re: Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 12:40:29 AM
You have asked a loaded question.  The ones calling Haydn easy are stupid poo poo ignoramus heads.
We must keep in mind the norms of the times at which they were composed.  The sonata was not normally for performance by the top musicians or the public stage, they were for the most part for amateurs and the evening entertainment in home's drawing rooms, parlors, salons. The concerto was the realm of the virtuosos of the day for the most part.  

Haydn's vast sonata output is all over the place partly for this reason.  Many composers of the time composed the sonatas for their students (or themselves ).  The "all over the place " difficulty range of Haydn sonatas attests the the varied abilities of his students and dedicatees.

However there was some music that was composed for the touring professional stage performer.  This wonderful sonata ( my favorite of his ) is one of those. It also hilights and takes advantage of the regions more advanced piano of the time with its wide range ( uses the highest note of any  or almost any of the sonatas if I recall ).

This lovely lady gets it. And has the technical and musical chops to really make this piece shine.  It is one of his most difficult sonatas. I love it. Will probably learn it myself, I just bought the Henle volume iii of the collected works which contains this one.



Hugz, kiss. -Alee Marie  :-*

Offline stevenarmstrong

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Re: Are Haydn sonatas as hard as Mozart's
Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 03:45:49 AM
You can't ask if one composer's works are harder than another's. You can only compare specific works.
Debussy Preludes 1:4, 2:9.
Beethoven Op. 22
Medtner Op. 5
Shchedrin Basso Ostinato
Silvestrov Op. 2
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