Why are the rudest, most bigoted comments on this forum always made by men?

[kakeithewolf]

I'm sorry I have to say something about this... I just can't take it!!!! I didn't read all of the posts but it seems that the last posts have been about people who are transgender? Do you "normal" people who make comments about this even know how difficult this is for people who are transgender??? Have you watched any videos? Have you got to know anyone who is trangender (I mean got to know them well). It's not something funny! And it's most certainly not something that someone would choose and enjoy!!!! It is one of the most difficult things someone can experience!!! And it is so difficult because of people who "think" they know all about it who "think" they can tell someone what they can and can not be, what they can and can not do or what they should or shouldn't do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How dare you say that someone can't be or isn't what they feel they are??? Have you ever been in a situation they are in?? Have you ever felt the way they do??? What about that thing that people like to say about "what matters is what's on the inside, not what's on the outside." Well if people really believed that than it would not matter what someone is on the outside it wouldn't matter what kind of genitals they have or don't have. What would and SHOULD matter is what they are inside!!!!!!!!!! And if they feel they are a female it doesn't matter if they look like the manliest guy on the outside, they are female! And that's that! And if you can't respect that you don't really care about what's on the inside, you only care about what's on the outside which is a very sad way of looking at others!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try to REALLY see someone for what they are on the inside try to really look into someone's heart or soul (or whatever you wanna call it) for a change. You would be really surprised how much more you could see and how much easier it would be to accept and love others for the perfect beings they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This world makes me so sad!!!!!!     How do you think you have the right to tell someone what they are and what they're not?? When all they want is to be able to be themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!       Nothing else, just to be able to show to others and share with others what they have on the inside. how is this so impossible to understand people??

There are so many holes in this that it makes Swiss cheese look relatively intact. Since the grammar of this is among the more ghastly things I've witnessed in years, I'm not going to even go into it.

First off, "normal" is a pretty poor statement, because "normal" is ridiculously ambiguous. As for any personal experience with transgenders, I've only came across one who wasn't a complete and absolute prick.

I'd also like to point out that the laws of nature are the party calling the shots in terms of laying definitive and immutable boundaries for what any sentient being can or cannot be in any given respect. People's opinions mean virtually nothing in the grand scheme of things, but its safe to say the laws of physics and biology hold up against both scrutiny and fantasy of any given individual.

Two problems come next. The first is that the belief(s) of and given person(s) do not have any bearing on the state of Boolean veracity. What is true and definitive is so, regardless of whatever a person may believe. Just because a person believes something doesn't make it true.

The second problem is that your argument was stated in a very weighted and borderline sexist manner, only taking the feelings and thoughts of MtF transgenders into account. You completely omitted the very real and present case of FtM transgenders, as well as hermaphrodites who wish to only be a single binary gender and not both. Stating your argument like that shows you only seem to be preoccupied with the male portion of the equation, and not the female or hermaphroditic portion of the equation.

And if you're wondering why it's hard to understand, your broken sentences, horrid punctuation emphasis, and shambled wall of text don't help.

[liszt1022]

they're are A LOT more idiots today

Note to everyone else: don't argue with idiots. It's just a bunch of air.

[littletune]

There are so many holes in this that it makes Swiss cheese look relatively intact. Since the grammar of this is among the more ghastly things I've witnessed in years, I'm not going to even go into it.

First off, "normal" is a pretty poor statement, because "normal" is ridiculously ambiguous. As for any personal experience with transgenders, I've only came across one who wasn't a complete and absolute prick.

I'd also like to point out that the laws of nature are the party calling the shots in terms of laying definitive and immutable boundaries for what any sentient being can or cannot be in any given respect. People's opinions mean virtually nothing in the grand scheme of things, but its safe to say the laws of physics and biology hold up against both scrutiny and fantasy of any given individual.

Two problems come next. The first is that the belief(s) of and given person(s) do not have any bearing on the state of Boolean veracity. What is true and definitive is so, regardless of whatever a person may believe. Just because a person believes something doesn't make it true.

The second problem is that your argument was stated in a very weighted and borderline sexist manner, only taking the feelings and thoughts of MtF transgenders into account. You completely omitted the very real and present case of FtM transgenders, as well as hermaphrodites who wish to only be a single binary gender and not both. Stating your argument like that shows you only seem to be preoccupied with the male portion of the equation, and not the female or hermaphroditic portion of the equation.

And if you're wondering why it's hard to understand, your broken sentences, horrid punctuation emphasis, and shambled wall of text don't help.

yes I'm sorry about the grammar of course, English is not my first language though people usually seem to think it's pretty good. But I wasn't very careful about the grammar because things like this really hurt me. I don't really understand and like your way of writing either, so we're even  And i'm sure it's because you're so very smart and I'm not so don't worry I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with how you write.
I don't know why I would ignore the FtM side of things... that was just one example... I didn't want to make it too long and complicated (which I guess is a good thing since you have problems understanding my horrible grammar anyway). And because people were mostly talking about how a man is a man no matter what they do, I talked about MtFs.
There is no reason for me to ignore one side or the other (or the in between). I am not preocupied with one or the other. I am not transgender and I am a girl (biological, genetical and all that stuff, as far as I know). So... I don't know what reason I would have to be sexist.
Don't be so obsessed with single words, It would be much better to look at the whole meaning of what I said. But I'm guessing you are not capable of doing that. And I totaly respect that. We're not all the same.  This is my way of seeing the world, my way of talking, my way of thinking. You have yours.
The most important thing I wanted to say was that it makes me sad how people can not really see other people. All they can see is objects. But not many people see the harts and souls of others. The essence of what someone really is. And that is a big loss for them. And for the whole world. But that's the way it is.

[kakeithewolf]

yes I'm sorry about the grammar of course, English is not my first language though people usually seem to think it's pretty good. But I wasn't very careful about the grammar because things like this really hurt me. I don't really understand and like your way of writing either, so we're even  And i'm sure it's because you're so very smart and I'm not so don't worry I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with how you write.
I don't know why I would ignore the FtM side of things... that was just one example... I didn't want to make it too long and complicated (which I guess is a good thing since you have problems understanding my horrible grammar anyway). And because people were mostly talking about how a man is a man no matter what they do, I talked about MtFs.
There is no reason for me to ignore one side or the other (or the in between). I am not preocupied with one or the other. I am not transgender and I am a girl (biological, genetical and all that stuff, as far as I know). So... I don't know what reason I would have to be sexist.
Don't be so obsessed with single words, It would be much better to look at the whole meaning of what I said. But I'm guessing you are not capable of doing that. And I totaly respect that. We're not all the same.  This is my way of seeing the world, my way of talking, my way of thinking. You have yours.
The most important thing I wanted to say was that it makes me sad how people can not really see other people. All they can see is objects. But not many people see the harts and souls of others. The essence of what someone really is. And that is a big loss for them. And for the whole world. But that's the way it is.

Understand that when you ignore FtMs and hermaphrodites desiring change, you undermine your argument, by implying you hold inferior care for their thoughts and their feelings. Just because these aren't as common as MtFs, it doesn't mean they don't exist, and that their feelings would be any less valid. And do realize that sexism isn't male-exclusive; females and hermaphrodites are capable of hating sexes other than theirs.

It isn't very wise either to state that I'm neither understanding nor capable of understanding the plight of others. I understand the matters well enough. What I do hold concern about is that the issue of transgenderism is sometimes wrongfully used either as a weapon by the malicious or as a means of a person avoiding and running away from past traumas. Though I am not a psychologist and do not have a degree, I am a person who wishes to heal people from what plagues them, especially traumatic experience, self-destructive tendencies, and ego-dystonic behavioural patterns.

I also realize that it is what is on the inside that matters. If I didn't believe that, most of my beliefs, including my feminism, would be completely absent or unjustified in my mind. What I am aware of, however, is that people care more about the outside than the inside. If that were not the case, physical sex reassignment surgeries would be fairly uncommon. Perhaps views on both sides are broken, in a world where everyone believes that the only thing that matters is the external facets of a being.

[littletune]

Understand that when you ignore FtMs and hermaphrodites desiring change, you undermine your argument, by implying you hold inferior care for their thoughts and their feelings. Just because these aren't as common as MtFs, it doesn't mean they don't exist, and that their feelings would be any less valid. And do realize that sexism isn't male-exclusive; females and hermaphrodites are capable of hating sexes other than theirs.

It isn't very wise either to state that I'm neither understanding nor capable of understanding the plight of others. I understand the matters well enough. What I do hold concern about is that the issue of transgenderism is sometimes wrongfully used either as a weapon by the malicious or as a means of a person avoiding and running away from past traumas. Though I am not a psychologist and do not have a degree, I am a person who wishes to heal people from what plagues them, especially traumatic experience, self-destructive tendencies, and ego-dystonic behavioural patterns.

I also realize that it is what is on the inside that matters. If I didn't believe that, most of my beliefs, including my feminism, would be completely absent or unjustified in my mind. What I am aware of, however, is that people care more about the outside than the inside. If that were not the case, physical sex reassignment surgeries would be fairly uncommon. Perhaps views on both sides are broken, in a world where everyone believes that the only thing that matters is the external facets of a being.

I did not ignore FtMs!! At least that is not what I wanted!!! I was just giving an example about MtFs because people were talking about MtF. If they were talking about FtMs I would give an example about that!!!!!! And I don't know enough about "hermaphrodites" to talk about them but from what I've heard the word "hermaphrodite" is not so very appropriate anymore, I think most people prefer the word intersex!

Well of course I can't see into your head so I can't know what you understand and what you don't undestand. I notice that you must be very intelligent (I also read your posts about you being very intelligent), but the "IQ test" inteligence is only one of many different kinds of intelligences. But from what I have noticed you don't understand the "problem" of transgender that well. There is a reason why I think I understand it better than most people who are not transgender! Of course past traumas can be a reason for many things, including being transgender, but that does not mean every transgender person is transgender because of past traumas. I belive there are differences between male and female brain, just like there are differences between male and female body (I mean brain is a part of the body, why would it be an exception?) and sometimes the brain and the body don't match. And when they don't match, people should listen to what someone is saying about how they feel. Because we are what we are because of our brain, not because of our outside look!

In this world people still care almost only about what they see on the outside. If people could learn to see only what's on the inside and not care about the outside at all, then of course there would be no need to change someone's body in any way. Not to look like the other sex, not to look more beautiful, not to look younger. Because it wouldn't matter. But it does matter! A lot!!!! And I don't think it's going to change soon. And that's why people get surgeries and all that. And until the world changes completely, I totaly understand why they get surgeries. And they should be able to get surgeries if they feel they need that. And noone should be telling them that they don't need them, because noone else knows what it feels like to be that other person. Of course people can help, give advice and make sure someone knows what they're doing and that they're doing it for the right reason, but that's about it.

[kakeithewolf]

I did not ignore FtMs!! At least that is not what I wanted!!! I was just giving an example about MtFs because people were talking about MtF. If they were talking about FtMs I would give an example about that!!!!!! And I don't know enough about "hermaphrodites" to talk about them but from what I've heard the word "hermaphrodite" is not so very appropriate anymore, I think most people prefer the word intersex!

Well of course I can't see into your head so I can't know what you understand and what you don't undestand. I notice that you must be very intelligent (I also read your posts about you being very intelligent), but the "IQ test" inteligence is only one of many different kinds of intelligences. But from what I have noticed you don't understand the "problem" of transgender that well. There is a reason why I think I understand it better than most people who are not transgender! Of course past traumas can be a reason for many things, including being transgender, but that does not mean every transgender person is transgender because of past traumas. I belive there are differences between male and female brain, just like there are differences between male and female body (I mean brain is a part of the body, why would it be an exception?) and sometimes the brain and the body don't match. And when they don't match, people should listen to what someone is saying about how they feel. Because we are what we are because of our brain, not because of our outside look!

In this world people still care almost only about what they see on the outside. If people could learn to see only what's on the inside and not care about the outside at all, then of course there would be no need to change someone's body in any way. Not to look like the other sex, not to look more beautiful, not to look younger. Because it wouldn't matter. But it does matter! A lot!!!! And I don't think it's going to change soon. And that's why people get surgeries and all that. And until the world changes completely, I totaly understand why they get surgeries. And they should be able to get surgeries if they feel they need that. And noone should be telling them that they don't need them, because noone else knows what it feels like to be that other person. Of course people can help, give advice and make sure someone knows what they're doing and that they're doing it for the right reason, but that's about it.

Actually, every hermaphrodite I've come across greatly preferred the term over intersex. And whether or not you intended to omit FtMs, you wouldn't have hurt your argument to include them.

Your second paragraph largely makes sense. Though past trauma doesn't account for all cases, you certainly can't ignore the cases that are due to past trauma, because that's simply not healthy for the individual. And, whilst you correct in the difference in brain structure, one can't discount the many possible causes, and cannot shoehorn it all into neonatal presence of symptoms.

Whether or not the world will change soon, no one does anyone any favours by encouraging the warped views of a broken world. People should not go to drastic lengths before exhausting every other possible avenue of learning to solve or cope with the problems that plague them. I firmly believe that surgeries are an unintentional indulgence of society's backwards ways, and that the proper solution is to deal with problems in terms of therapy and trauma relief.

[birba]

EVERY hermaphrodite you've come across?!  I've never met one in my entire life.  What do you do for a living? 

[future_maestro]

On the contrary, idiotism as a diagnoses was mainly used in psychiatry on the 19th century. 

I assume you are quite young yourself, which would excuse some of your obvious lack of historical perspective. If not, then I am forced to draw another conclusion...

No one has actually brought any proof that I'm wrong. People just keeping "Grasping at straws," hoping that I'll believe what they say. Unfortunately, that won't happen.

Meet me in the street someday you old bastard, and I'll show you who's boss.

[kakeithewolf]

EVERY hermaphrodite you've come across?!  I've never met one in my entire life.  What do you do for a living? 

When you are the Internet for long enough, you come across quite a few.

[littletune]

Actually, every hermaphrodite I've come across greatly preferred the term over intersex. And whether or not you intended to omit FtMs, you wouldn't have hurt your argument to include them.

Your second paragraph largely makes sense. Though past trauma doesn't account for all cases, you certainly can't ignore the cases that are due to past trauma, because that's simply not healthy for the individual. And, whilst you correct in the difference in brain structure, one can't discount the many possible causes, and cannot shoehorn it all into neonatal presence of symptoms.

Whether or not the world will change soon, no one does anyone any favours by encouraging the warped views of a broken world. People should not go to drastic lengths before exhausting every other possible avenue of learning to solve or cope with the problems that plague them. I firmly believe that surgeries are an unintentional indulgence of society's backwards ways, and that the proper solution is to deal with problems in terms of therapy and trauma relief.

Well I never met any hermaphrodites (at least not that I would know of), but I did watch videos and documentaries and it was said that "hermaphrodite" wasn't used anymore. But I guess every individual should decide for themself what they want to be called.
I don't really understand why you keep repeating that FtM thing.   It wasn't about including or excluding anyone, it was just a quick example I gave (while feeling pretty disturbed and disappointed in humanity   ). I guess my child mind is not able to get your point.   Sorry.

Well my opinion is that being transgender because of past trauma is pretty rare, I think most people really are what they say they are because of how their brain is. And forcing someone to be something they don't feel they are is a huge huge unimaginably painful trauma. So if you keep forcing someone to be what you think they are supposed to be for a long time, you are hurting them badly. I see it like distroying someone's soul (or their essence). So I think you should be very careful with that. I mean what is trauma anyway? To me childhood trauma is having to go to school every day! Not because something very bad would happen to me there, but because I am not "normal" (normal meaning not like most other people) and what works for most people, doesn't work for everyone. But even though something doesn't work for you, you are forced to keep doing it because most other people do it and are totaly ok with it. We're just not all the same and because someone is different than most people, it doesn't mean something bad happened to them to make them that way. And it would be great if people could just accept and respect that someone is different (as long as they're not hurting anyone) and not try to "make them normal".

Of course surgeries are not a good thing. I mean it's always dangerous to have a surgery. If someone can be ok without the surgery, then they shouldn't get it! But if someone tries to live without it and feels they just can't go on that way, than it must be the right thing for them. The problem is, you just can't know how someone else is feeling, so the only thing you can do is trust them and respect their decision. And if someone really is transgender, then therapy and trauma relief are not really what they need. What they need is to be able to share what they really are with others! Because until you can share with others what you really are, you are not free! And what is the point of life if you have to spend it in a lonely prison restricted and tied down by expectations of other people?  

[kakeithewolf]

Well I never met any hermaphrodites (at least not that I would know of), but I did watch videos and documentaries and it was said that "hermaphrodite" wasn't used anymore. But I guess every individual should decide for themself what they want to be called.
I don't really understand why you keep repeating that FtM thing.   It wasn't about including or excluding anyone, it was just a quick example I gave (while feeling pretty disturbed and disappointed in humanity   ). I guess my child mind is not able to get your point.   Sorry.

Well my opinion is that being transgender because of past trauma is pretty rare, I think most people really are what they say they are because of how their brain is. And forcing someone to be something they don't feel they are is a huge huge unimaginably painful trauma. So if you keep forcing someone to be what you think they are supposed to be for a long time, you are hurting them badly. I see it like distroying someone's soul (or their essence). So I think you should be very careful with that. I mean what is trauma anyway? To me childhood trauma is having to go to school every day! Not because something very bad would happen to me there, but because I am not "normal" (normal meaning not like most other people) and what works for most people, doesn't work for everyone. But even though something doesn't work for you, you are forced to keep doing it because most other people do it and are totaly ok with it. We're just not all the same and because someone is different than most people, it doesn't mean something bad happened to them to make them that way. And it would be great if people could just accept and respect that someone is different (as long as they're not hurting anyone) and not try to "make them normal".

Of course surgeries are not a good thing. I mean it's always dangerous to have a surgery. If someone can be ok without the surgery, then they shouldn't get it! But if someone tries to live without it and feels they just can't go on that way, than it must be the right thing for them. The problem is, you just can't know how someone else is feeling, so the only thing you can do is trust them and respect their decision. And if someone really is transgender, then therapy and trauma relief are not really what they need. What they need is to be able to share what they really are with others! Because until you can share with others what you really are, you are not free! And what is the point of life if you have to spend it in a lonely prison restricted and tied down by expectations of other people?  

Years ago, I learned the secret to easy happiness: Being coy. These things never need to be brought to light, but rather, you can internalize it for quite a time before even minimal damage happens. I have many secrets that would have even more devastating effect on my life than if I said I was a transgender. But I don't tell people, and no one other than me needs to be any the bit wiser.

[littletune]

Years ago, I learned the secret to easy happiness: Being coy. These things never need to be brought to light, but rather, you can internalize it for quite a time before even minimal damage happens. I have many secrets that would have even more devastating effect on my life than if I said I was a transgender. But I don't tell people, and no one other than me needs to be any the bit wiser.

Well of course. I don't think anyone ever tells ALL their secrets.  But not all secrets are the same and not all people are the same. If someone feels they need to tell people what they are and if they say it is painful for them to pretend to be something they're not, than their wishes and feelings should be respected. 

[kakeithewolf]

Well of course. I don't think anyone ever tells ALL their secrets.  But not all secrets are the same and not all people are the same. If someone feels they need to tell people what they are and if they say it is painful for them to pretend to be something they're not, than their wishes and feelings should be respected. 

In some cases, I agree. In some, I don't. I harbor a case of each kind of secret: One that destroys on its own nature, and one that is merely scorned by the constructs society has built. I know very well some things are best kept to oneself.

[j_menz]

It's no secret my friend, that they're are A LOT more idiots (men idiots and women idiots) today then there were back then.

Numerically, almost certainly given the population increase. Proportionally? Your assertion, yours to prove.

I've heard a lot of rumors that you're more like a 25 year old punk.

I've never been a punk, even when I was 25, although that would probably be slightly after I came closest.

[outin]

No one has actually brought any proof that I'm wrong. People just keeping "Grasping at straws," hoping that I'll believe what they say. Unfortunately, that won't happen.

Meet me in the street someday you old bastard, and I'll show you who's boss.

I eat guys like you for breakfast

[mjames]

Funny how the supposed intellectuals like to waste their time by engaging in idiotic debates.

[ahinton]

I eat guys like you for breakfast

I hope that you have ample supplies of indigestion treatment to hand.

Best,

Alistair

[outin]

I hope that you have ample supplies of indigestion treatment to hand.

Best,

Alistair

You think my frequent heartburns are due to such diet? 

[ahinton]

You think my frequent heartburns are due to such diet? 

I have no idea, but consuming "guys" for breakfast does suggest that your diet is suspect at the very least.

Best,

Alistair

[kakeithewolf]

Funny how the supposed intellectuals like to waste their time by engaging in idiotic debates.

Some relish debate in general. It's a great way to exercise the mind.

[j_menz]

I have no idea, but consuming "guys" for breakfast does suggest that your diet is suspect at the very least.

Best,

Alistair

Indeed, though I'd suggest a good defence lawyer may be more use than a good antacid.

[birba]

This has become one of the most obscure threads ever seen on ps.  I can't even figure out what you are all talking about.  It would entail backreading from the beginning.  I just figured out what ftm means, though.  I count myself among the most informed...

[kakeithewolf]

This has become one of the most obscure threads ever seen on ps.  I can't even figure out what you are all talking about.  It would entail backreading from the beginning.  I just figured out what ftm means, though.  I count myself among the most informed...

No one knows anymore. It fell apart quickly.

[jknott]

Just catching up with the various meanderings of this thread after a week of work (sorry to shock some of you that a woman has a demanding and responsible job).

In case anyone was wondering (and some of the posts suggest some of you were), my title didn't necessarily mean anti-feminist bigotry.  In fact my comment was mainly directed at the anti-immigration diatribe - again (and perhaps coincidentally) from men - sparked by my posts about Crimea.  The comments seem rather quaintly naive now as the only flights out of Crimea are into Moscow, so I don't think we will be seeing any of them on our London streets.

[thalbergmad]

so I don't think we will be seeing any of them on our London streets.

Thankfully not, and even if we did, you would have nothing to fear as they would not be competing   for your demanding and responsible job.

Thal

[jknott]

If I recall it was you, not me, who were reacting against the idea of them coming here.  That's serious stuff, not to be joked about.

[thalbergmad]

I do not joke about immigration.

[jknott]

I was referring to what the Russians are doing in Ukraine.

Yet again your comment about immigration proves my point.

[thalbergmad]

What point??

[jknott]

in the post title....

[thalbergmad]

Oh, you have proved it beyond any doubt whatsoever. Congratulations.

Like most women, you will not shut up until you have your own way.

Thal

[kakeithewolf]

Oh, you have proved it beyond any doubt whatsoever. Congratulations.

Like most women, you will not shut up until you have your own way.

Thal

That doesn't prove your point, only hers. Assuming you actually have a point.

[jknott]

This is one of those self-fulfilling threads. Every post you make just proves my point even more - now on rudeness as well.

[thalbergmad]

Every post you make just proves my point even more

I am just playing the part you seem to expect of men on this forum.

The thread title itself was rude and also moronic, since to make your claim, you must have been a member since the beginning of the forum in 2001, read every single post and known the sex of all posters, which in itself is impossible.

If you truly feel you have proved your point, perhaps you will shut up and go away, however, women usually like to have the last word.

Thal

[jknott]

You are playing the part I've observed some men - by no means most, but some - play on this forum.

And your rudeness doesn't ever stop does it?

My title - as you clearly haven't got it - was meant as an ironic reference to the misogynist thread about female composers, where I could hardly believe the neanderthal views expressed by some of the male posters, and you just go on ... and on ... and on ... with your misogyny.

[kakeithewolf]

What I am witnessing in this thread I could liken to a plane crash. It starts off fine, something goes horribly wrong, the whole thing nosedives to the ground, and all you see in the end is flaming.

[thalbergmad]

And your rudeness doesn't ever stop does it?

You need a sense of humour here to not get uptight about some of the threads.

You do seem to be on a bit of a downer about men. Did one once tell you that your arse looked big in a paid of jeans or something??

Try an lighten up a bit.

Thal

[kakeithewolf]

You do seem to be on a bit of a downer about men. Did one once tell you that your arse looked big in a paid of jeans or something??

Ironic. You seem to be a downer about women. Did one once tell you your cock was too small or something?

[jknott]

So now you're excusing your rudeness on a sense of humour failure on my part? 

I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything else.  We should all celebrate the fact that this forum is here to give an outlet to your bigotry and simply shut up and leave you to it.

I vainly hoped that a piano forum might be populated by individuals who had a gram of culture - and there are some like J_Menz and Outin - but there's simply no point wasting time with some of the neanderthals.

[thalbergmad]

So now you're excusing your rudeness on a sense of humour failure on my part? 

Not the only possibility. Perhaps it is the wrong time of the month or you have forgotten to take your valium.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

but there's simply no point wasting time with some of the neanderthals.

Well don't then.

[kakeithewolf]

Not the only possibility. Perhaps it is the wrong time of the month or you have forgotten to take your valium.

How the bloody hell did evolution allow for people to be this stupid?

[mjames]

How the bloody hell did evolution allow for people to be this stupid?

Thank god I'm stupid. That way I don't waste most of my time arguing about stupid pointless sh*t.

[joplinfreak]

So now you're excusing your rudeness on a sense of humour failure on my part? 

I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything else.  We should all celebrate the fact that this forum is here to give an outlet to your bigotry and simply shut up and leave you to it.

I vainly hoped that a piano forum might be populated by individuals who had a gram of culture - and there are some like J_Menz and Outin - but there's simply no point wasting time with some of the neanderthals.

You are taking this way to far! I presume you to be a logical person yes? Then you of all people should know that forums always have a few "vocal members" (no offense Thal). The very comment you made shows bigotry in and of itself. You refuse to see any other points on this subject! There is very simple answer to your question and that is the majority of posters are men. It's unfortunate that men are always labeled as bigots, when in reality it's women such as your self that provoke us to do so! My advice for you is to just leave this thread alone, there are to many posters who disagree with your comment to have any good come from it.

[thalbergmad]

"vocal members" (no offense Thal).

None taken, I have been called a lot worse.

You make a valid point about being provoked. The thread title itself was asking for trouble.

Thal

[jknott]

My thread was itself "provoked" by the thread on women composers.

But the misogyny on this forum is something I wouldn't have believed unless I'd seen it.

I'll be telling Pianostreet I'm not going to renew my subscription when it comes up.  I don't pay money to be insulted as I was last night.

[thalbergmad]

I'll be telling Pianostreet I'm not going to renew my subscription when it comes up.  I don't pay money to be insulted as I was last night.

Indeed, why pay when you can have all this abuse for nothing.

Thal

[jknott]

I pay for the downloads but it's not worth it to be subjected to abuse by the likes of you. And I don't just mean the personal insults you threw at me last night - you seem to abuse women at every opportunity.

[thalbergmad]

You really must learn to control your emotions.

They will be your undoing.

Thal

[jknott]

You have absolutely no idea about my emotions.  But you should learn to control your abuse and personal insults.