I need advise on fingering for this sequence of notes.

[musicioso]

Hallo guys


What do you  think, what fingering is best to use when playing this. Its suposed to be played evenly.

I tried this:

Right hand upward 1234 1234 1234, downward 4321 4321 4321 etc.

When played slowly and looking at the keybkard it works very well. But when played faster and without looking i miss some black keys, because the distance is not the same between every two black keys.

So i thougt, maybe there is another effective fingering. Share your thoughts please. Any help is most welcome.


Here is the sheet

[liszt1022]

1234 2345 1235 1234 2345 2345 5432 4321 4321 5321 4321 5321 4321

This feels right to me.

[faulty_damper]

Yeah, some will be 5, others will be 4.  As well, this is not a finger movement only.  Rotating the forearm and raising the wrist will help tremendously in minimizing finger movement.

[nyiregyhazi]

1234 2345 1235 1234 2345 2345 5432 4321 4321 5321 4321 5321 4321

This feels right to me.

What's the logic behind the choices? Every one can be conceived in a five finger position. So what's the specific reason behind so much variety and inconsistency?

1234 involves a stretch between 3 and 4 when the 5 is perfectly available. I don't see any reason not to keep the fingers equally spaced out and use 1235 or 1245. Start with a five finger position each time (with no gaps between any adjacent fingers, except where necessary between 1 and 2) and it fingers itself. Using 5 also spreads the work across the hand which tends to feel more settled. For this reason, I personally like 1235 even on four adjacent notes.

[nyiregyhazi]

1234 2345 1235 1234 2345 2345 5432 4321 4321 5321 4321 5321 4321

This feels right to me.

Actually come to think of it, I agree for bars 5-8. Your fingering condenses four bars into a single five finger alignment. But for all the rest I'd just feel one chunk of spread between 1 and 5 per bar. If the four fingers stay equally spaced out, the details between will sort themselves out.

[liszt1022]

The logic for going up is that I've got a 6th between 1-5 the whole time. Having a 5th is less comfortable to me.

[nyiregyhazi]

The logic for going up is that I've got a 6th between 1-5 the whole time. Having a 5th is less comfortable to me.

Ah, okay makes sense. I find these are much more reliable when there's a clear concept behind it rather than just individual fingers to use and try to memorise.

[kalirren]

Am I the only one who looked at this and saw all 2345 on the way up and all 5432 on the way down?

[faulty_damper]

Am I the only one who looked at this and saw all 2345 on the way up and all 5432 on the way down?

Possibly not, but that suggests you were taught that thumbs should never belong on a sharp.  Many teachers still teach this but it's extremely limiting in certain cases.  That's why Chopin wrote Op.10-5 to prove the dogma during his time was wrong. Almost two centuries later, it's still being taught.

[gyzzzmo]

For bar 6-7 i'd do 1-2-3-5   4-3-2-1
The rest is just the regular 'finger spread'.

[nyiregyhazi]

Am I the only one who looked at this and saw all 2345 on the way up and all 5432 on the way down?

That's really not straightforward to coordinate. Keeping 2345 equidistant and covering any necessary gaps between 1-2 (which is most easily adaptable) offers tremendous simplicity. I wouldn't like to keep having different distances over and over to both remember and physically prepare.