Beethoven op 13. Adagio Cantabile and Rondo

[hakki]

These are recorded a few weeks apart. Adagio first and later the Rondo.

Though both on my home piano the sound can be different due to the placement of the Zoom device.

I hope you enjoy listening.

[furtwaengler]

Beautiful, well thought out playing (singing) of the adagio cantilble, and very detailed, subtly nuanced, welled voiced rondo. I love the extra time on the fermatas between sections and the gradation of intensity with the right mix of fire and lyricism. Also the harmonic understanding. I can tell lots of time thinking and working went into these recordings.

[faulty_damper]

For both movements:
1 Downbeat needs to be clearly marked with Strong weak weak... This gives the basic pulse.
2 faster tempo, more so in the Adagio.
3 clearer, more precise articulation of melody and motives.

Technically, turn the hand to shape the melody; don't rely on just the fingers to play.

[hakki]

Thank you Furtwaengler for the kind words.

faulty:

It is better that you change your name to faulty-ears instead of dampers, because you don't know what you are talking about.

[cabbynum]

I really enjoyed your interpretation here!
I agree with what furtwaengler.

I'd like to add one thing, I actually like the tempo here. I feel that a lot of people rush the rondo and the cantible. And yes while it was slower it was never boring. You kept it extremely interesting. Well done!

[faulty_damper]

Thank you Furtwaengler for the kind words.

faulty:

It is better that you change your name to faulty-ears instead of dampers, because you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm sorry.  I was under the impression you wanted honest criticism.  In that case, BRAVO!  That was marvelous!   

[cabbynum]

I'm sorry.  I was under the impression you wanted honest criticism.  In that case, BRAVO!  That was marvelous!   

Now you're attacking him personally which is something you've said is completely unacceptable. You need to stick to your word.

Also it wasn't a  video he very well could have been turning his hand you dimwit. There is obvious thought and control in this performance. I am sure hajji has thought of these things. Stop posting in the audition room. You add poison that isn't needed.

[j_menz]

I'm sorry.  I was under the impression you wanted honest criticism.  In that case, BRAVO!  That was marvelous!   

No-one was doubting your honesty.

@ hakki - very well considered (and executed) performances. I especially liked the Rondo - the tempo seems to me perfect and your articulation of the various elements very well thought out. My one quibble is the very last figure - I think the opening few notes going up should be a little slower and quite a bit softer with the emphasis really on the top note leading into a thunderous rush downwards. A minor quibble (and one you may disagree with) in a first class performance.

[faulty_damper]

Now you're attacking him personally which is something you've said is completely unacceptable. You need to stick to your word.

Also it wasn't a  video he very well could have been turning his hand you dimwit. There is obvious thought and control in this performance. I am sure hajji has thought of these things. Stop posting in the audition room. You add poison that isn't needed.

Maybe you should consider the context in which my reply was made:

"faulty:

It is better that you change your name to faulty-ears instead of dampers, because you don't know what you are talking about."

[cabbynum]

Maybe you should consider the context in which my reply was made:

"faulty:

It is better that you change your name to faulty-ears instead of dampers, because you don't know what you are talking about."

Yes but he has never made wild claims and gone on in other posts to continue to harass pianists trying their best. He also hasn't made a big deal about making personal attacks

[lazyfingers]

@hakki

You are sitting too low, your arms are too muscular, and you have too many fingers.  

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Seriously, hakki - (strike that last comment). You played beautifully. The tempo was fine, especially the Rondo. I like the singing you achieved, and the little nuances you managed to highlight. I don't think you missed any opportunities Beethoven presented in those two movements. Also, I liked the sonority you achieved in the LH - a must of this sonata. Very musical performance - loved it.

[faulty_damper]

Yes but he has never made wild claims and gone on in other posts to continue to harass pianists trying their best. He also hasn't made a big deal about making personal attacks

I really think you need to read what I wrote.  I never made any kind of harassing remarks.  They were very clear critiques.  Now both you and Hakki have attacked me, personally.

[cabbynum]

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[faulty_damper]

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[furtwaengler]

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[cabbynum]

I am sorry Hakki and faulty for muddying this thread. It wasn't warranted and I was out of line. My sincerest apologies to all involved.

[pianoman53]

I'm not quite as hyped over the adagio as everyone else here.
I don't mind the very slow tempo, though I can't say I agree with it.

My problem is that the middle voice is too loud. The melody is basically only long notes, and should sustain as long notes. With that type of heavy middle voice, the melody disappears after just one beat or so. That will make it muc more difficult to phrase, since there will be no sound to listen for, when connecting the notes.

The connection between the the first subject (? I don't know if it's called this in english) and the theme, could be more convincing. That's one of the spots that gets very difficult in this kind of tempo.

In the second theme, you don't do everything he says. I think Beethoven is one of the composers where you really should strive for "score perfection". Though, if you are of an other opinion, that's obviously your choice. The sf, for example, on the b7 chord, before the "sequence" in e major.

The last problem I have with the adagio is that almost all new sections starts with this poco a poco a tempo sort of thing. It was too much for me, and I think it takes away the continuity of the piece, and makes in into section upon section.


In the rondo, the left hand can be more accurate. It's sort of a quasi legato, in the sense that some are legato and some are not.
I also think you're too shy in the dynamics.
Though, I like how you play the beginning of the theme.


In general, in both performances, I miss the difference in voices. Also, watch out so that you don't drag. It will make a perfectly fine tempo seem very slow, which is never good.


As for Faulty, stop being such a martyr. You created a whole tread about that I was a troll. Stop whining if people "attack" you.