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Offline glatour2496

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Hello everyone, I was hoping I could get some feedback on the pieces I am planning to play for auditions at Oberlin College and Lawrence University. I'm planning on applying as a double degree student so I'll be applying to both schools at these universities. I'll be applying this fall/winter so I have a ton a of work to do. Luckily, I don't currently have a job and summer's coming so I can study for these auditions. I'm only applying to two conservatories at the moment because I want to take advantage of the double-degree at these schools. I'll probably apply to other universities but these are the ones with piano.

Oberlin requires one composition by Bach, a complete classical sonata (Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven), one étude of virtuosity, one composition from the romantic period, and one composition by a 20th or 21st century composer. Lawrence is slightly less demanding with a Prelude and Fugue or other Bach composition containing a fugue (such as a Toccata or Partita); a sonata-allegro movement of a sonata by Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, or Schubert; a composition from the romantic period; and a 20th or 21st-century composition.

I was planning on playing these

for the Bach I'd like to play Bach's Prelude and Fugue No. 6 in D minor, BWV 851 from the Well-tempered Clavier,

for the classical sonata I want to play Beethoven's Piano Sonata Op. 13 No. 8 Pathétique.

   -for the sonata-allegro for Lawrence, I'd just play the Rondó. I know the first and second movement, just working out some small kinks.

for the étude of virtuosity I was planning on either Chopin's Etude Op. 10 No. 1 or Op. 25 No. 12,

   -I'm actually very undecided about these pieces, and I need to decide fast. I had lessons yesterday and my piano teacher advised against playing these. She said I'd need to do other preparation pieces which I don't have time for. She gave me a book of 15 études from Moscheles, Kessler, Czerny, Mendelssohn, Thalberg, and Rubinstein, Henselt. I looked through and found recordings of most of the pieces (most of them were very hard to find) but I really didn't like any of them. Any suggestions?

and for the 20th/21st century piece, I want to play Charles Tomlinson Griffes' "The Lake at Evening" Three Tone Pictures Op. 5 No. 1.

    -I'm thinking I should play all three pieces from Op. 5 because they're relatively short by themselves.

for the romantic period I'd like to play Chopin's Ballade No. 4 in F Minor, Op. 52: Andante con moto.  

   -I really, really enjoy this piece and I've been looking around on the forums and didn't see too many people playing this so maybe this will work? I'm on like the fourth page right now and it's going pretty well. I haven't had a lot of trouble with it besides a two-week learning stall I had on the first page.

A bit of background on my piano career;

I've been playing for 8 years. I've had three teachers. The first was pretty good, but she was more of a beginners teacher. Then I moved and didn't have a teacher for about two years. My second teacher was absolutely awful. I never received negative feedback from him and paid him to tell me everything was good. I finally moved again and got away from him. I moved to Italy (my father is military) and found a teacher after about a year. My current teacher is by far the best. She isn't afraid to tell me I'm doing something completely wrong and she'll out right tell me that she doesn't like how I play something. She has a degree in piano I believe from the Naples University or Conservatory and she's really knowledgable about technique and can actually play hardcore pieces, so she knows all the tricks and secrets to playing correctly. She's the first piano instructor to really have me work on posture, hand posture, and how I position my fingers, for example playing with my fingers very close to the keys and each other when playing fast. I also participate in the Jazz band at my high school.

All the pieces I've learned

Chopin Waltz Op. 64 No. 2 in C Sharp minor
Chopin Prelude Op. 28 No. 4 in E minor
Chopin Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 with some of the later modifications
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op. 13 No. 8 (currently working on the last movement)
Mozart Piano Sonata No. 11 in A Major, K. 331: III. Alla Turca - Allegretto
Mozart Piano Sonata No. 16 In C Major, K. 545 "Sonata Facile": I. Allegro
Clementi Sonatina Op. 36 No. 3 in G Major
La Campanella (I only know the notes and I pretty much butcher it playing fast so no way I'll play this for people anytime soon)
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, and 13 (piano teacher wants to do the rest with me)
Czerny School of Velocity No. 1-6 (my piano teacher wants me to finish the whole book)
Schumann Wild Horseman
various Jazz pieces for Jazz Band
Black Pearl from Pirates of the Caribbean (not classical haha)
Test Drive from How to Train Your Dragon (not classical but I thought I'd throw that in there. I learned GermanSeabass' arrangement from YouTube)
I also accompanied piano last year for the elementary school choir but I hated it.
Know all my major scales, working on the rest.

My theory is pretty bad. I know how to read music really well but I don't know all the under the hood stuff. I am taking AP Music Theory next year so that should help.

I know it's not a lot for 8 years but I've moved and had trouble finding teachers. I'm not worried about studying, I currently do about two hours every day, sometimes longer. I can increase that for longer periods of time (reasonably speaking, not like 16 hours straight) so I think I might be able to pull the auditions off.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions and please don't be afraid to criticize my choices for the auditions. :)
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #1 on: May 18, 2014, 10:29:26 AM
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Offline glatour2496

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #2 on: May 18, 2014, 11:09:33 AM
Hmm, thanks for your input. The list still isn't final, but I need it to be so I'm searching high and low. And no I've never played a Chopin étude before, which I probably why my instructor suggested otherwise. And I'll look at Czerny. I thought the particular one in the book, which is actually Toccata Op. 92, sounded awfully annoying.

About La Campanella, I don't think I should play it. I think it would take too long to try to get it up to a speed where I can still play it accurately. It's a lovely piece, but I don't think I'm ready for the speed required.

Yeah I realize that about the 4th ballade. But, my piano teacher recommended Khatchaturian's Toccata and I didn't think I could play it either, but I did and I would say with more practice it'd be exemplary, but it's not my favorite so that's why I don't practice it a lot. I'm going to trust her with this choice.

I going to try and make some videos this week, that way I have something to show everyone on this forum.

Thanks!
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
Beethoven Pathetique 
Chopin Ballade 4
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
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Offline glatour2496

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #4 on: May 18, 2014, 12:36:10 PM
Yeah, the book is in Italian so it may be considered an etude over here, but I won't be going to an Italian conservatory. I'll take a look at the Chopin etudes. I kind of like Op. 25 No. 8.
 
For the romantic I think it should be a substantial piece. I see a lot of people usually play a ballade or fantasy.
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
Beethoven Pathetique 
Chopin Ballade 4
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #5 on: May 18, 2014, 01:19:43 PM
I'd suggest you to wait until next year to apply. Not that you aren't good enough at the moment, but looking at your repertoire list, it seems like there are things you still need to learn before attending a conservatory.

It's also not that you need to have played a bunch of Chopin studies, and a few major romantic pieces, and a few Beethoven sonatas, but it will make life at conservatory so much easier.

I study my third year at a international conservatory right now. I'm a bit older than the rest of my year, but I feel I learn so much more than the rest. The other still needs help to basically learn the notes in more difficult pieces, and therefore lose a lot of lesson time that could be used to improve the interpretation.

If the pieces you play for the audition is the most difficult pieces you've ever played, you're not gonna have a fun time. If you get accepted, they will most probably expect you to play even more difficult things, or you will take a big step back.


Just my opinion about it.

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #6 on: May 18, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
@pianoman53

You have a good point. Plus, since I want to do the double degree, I can always apply to the conservatory my second year of university. Oberlin allows you to enter the conservatory even after you've been at the college of arts and sciences for a year. I'll think about this.

Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
Beethoven Pathetique 
Chopin Ballade 4
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #7 on: May 18, 2014, 06:40:10 PM
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Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #8 on: May 18, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
@pytheamateur

I saw your post before you deleted it. Did I really post in the wrong section? Sorry if I did, is there any way to move it?
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Czerny School of Velocity
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #9 on: May 18, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
@pytheamateur

I saw your post before you deleted it. Did I really post in the wrong section? Sorry if I did, is there any way to move it?

No, of course you didn't.  My fault, I thought I saw your post under the Audition Room section.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #10 on: May 19, 2014, 06:02:13 AM
Ok cool :)

I was thinking, maybe I should change the ballade to maybe number 1? I was reading that number 4 seems to be the most popular ballade. Maybe the bach, griffes, and the etude will balance out the popularity? Griffes is pretty unpopular. How popular is the Prelude and Fugue I want to do? I'm going to search for a lesser known etude.

I've emailed two professors asking about the repertoire and both said that is was "perfect". The head professor at Lawrence was much nicer in her email than that of Oberlin. The professor from Oberlin gave me two sentences and the Lawrence professor actually wrote a nice letter. I had written like novels to both of them. I'm still waiting on an email from a second professor at Oberlin.
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 06:09:53 AM
Griffes is pretty unpopular.

No, just pretty unknown. The piece you've chosen is really lovely and deserves a greater airing. My only reservation about it is that it's perhaps not showy enough for an audition, but if your strength is in perfection of quiet moods, it could work spectacularly.
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #12 on: May 19, 2014, 06:25:40 AM
Oh yeah that's what I meant haha. I also asked the professor at Lawrence if I should learn all three pieces of Op. 5 because they're so short and she said not to worry, as my other pieces are long and they wouldn't have time to listen to all of them anyway.
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
Beethoven Pathetique 
Chopin Ballade 4
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #13 on: May 19, 2014, 02:53:38 PM
How does this Scriabin Etude rate in terms of popularity? Doesn't seem as hard as the Chopin etudes technically, I think it might lean more on an interpretation difficulty. I kind of like this one. Still looking though.

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #15 on: May 22, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
How known is the Scriabin etude? I want to pick a fairly unknown piece like the Griffes and Bach Prelude and Fugue to balance the Pathetique and 4th ballade. I've already told my teacher I was looking at the Scriabin and she said she'd look for other relatively unknown etudes as well.
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #16 on: May 22, 2014, 08:32:50 PM
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 06:46:06 AM
Well then I have a knack for choosing the most known pieces... Ugh, hopefully my piano teacher will have found something I'll like. I have lessons on Sunday so I also have some time to search on my own. I'll take a look at his other etudes.
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
Hi,

Scriabin etude is a great choice. If I were you I would never decide which piece I'm going to learn based on how popular it is but on how much I love it. I have just 'completed' his Op 8 No 12 and technically I don't it's easier than the Chopin etudes you mentioned, but in my opinion better :) I had loads of fun practicing it even though it is really hard, and learned so many things doing it.
No 1, 3, 5 and 9 would fall in the category of virtuosic I guess and they are great, you should also check out his Op 42 and Op 65 etudes, they are quite different and super facinating.

You also mentioned Henselt, some great etudes there as well (Hexentanz, Elfenreigen and many more).

Best to decide sooner than later :) pick one you love and have fun practicing!

Grts,
Carl

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 07:27:45 PM
@carl_h

Very true! I'll look at some of those composers you mentioned, as well as the Henselt. Congrats on finishing Op 8 No 12!

EDIT: I'm listening to Hexentanz right now. I like it a lot! Very much my style. I'm also looking at the sheet music and it doesn't seem overly difficult, I think I might be able to pull it off. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll look at other Henselt pieces. :) I also found his etude Op. 2 No. 3. Apparently there's only one recording on Youtube, but I also really like it. Is this virtuosic?

EDIT2: I'm noticing that Hexentanz kind of sounds a bit similar to the Bach Prelude and Fugue I'm doing. Will this be an issue do you guys think?

Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
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Chopin Ballade 4
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #20 on: May 25, 2014, 11:46:52 AM
Okay, I had lessons today and my teacher said the Hexentanz would do fine and she'll teach it. So it looks like my repertoire for the auditions will be this.

Bach Prelude and Fugue No. 6 in D minor, BWV 851 WTC 1
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op. 13 No. 8 Pathétique
Chopin Ballade No. 4 in F Minor, Op. 52
Henselt Hexentanz Op.5 No.3 In A minor
Charles Tomlinson Griffes "The Lake at Evening" Three Tone Pictures Op. 5 No. 1

Now I have a load of picking pieces off my shoulders. Now just to learn them! Bach is a young work in progress, Pathetique is 2/3 done, Ballade is like 1/16 done, Henselt I haven't started, and the Griffes is 3/4 done.

Thanks everyone!
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
Beethoven Pathetique 
Chopin Ballade 4
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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #21 on: May 26, 2014, 07:21:20 AM
Hi,

I'm glad you decided on your program, it looks great :)
As for recordings of Henselt, if you have Spotify you can find the album 'Henselt Piano Works' from Esther Budiardjo with all the etudes and some other pieces.

Good luck and post some in the audition room when you feel ready!

Grts,
Carl

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Re: Conservatory Audition for Piano (Oberlin, Lawrence)
Reply #22 on: May 26, 2014, 07:53:06 AM
@carl_h

Yeah I've listened to that recording of Henselt probably more than 20 times haha. It's amazing that I can only find two recordings of this piece on the whole internet.

I might make some recordings today of the Pathetique movements I know as well as some new recordings of the Bach Invention 1 and probably number 8 as well. If I have time that is. :)

Thanks!
Bach Two Part Inventions No. 1, 8, 13 and Prelude and Fugue No. 6 Dmin
Czerny School of Velocity
Beethoven Pathetique 
Chopin Ballade 4
Griffes Tone Pictures
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