Mozart=GREATEST

[chopin4life]

Hi all,

For me there is no greater composer than Mozart (ONLY Bach and Beethoven come close)
I had to share this thought with you, because I just came to this conclusion.
The thing is.. There is no single piece of music, written by Mozart, that is not perfect to my ears.
When we talk about other great composers like Chopin (my idol), Liszt, Rachmaninoff.. I'll get goosebumps the first time I hear one of their pieces, the second, maybe the third time. But with Bach, Beethoven and especially Mozart, this is different. I really get goosebumps every time again.
Let's take Mozart's piano concerti for instance: they are lovely to play, to hear.. I can literally down in his music (without the bad consequences  )

After this being said, I'd like to aks you guys a question.
Please share your experiences with Mozart (really anything),
For example talking about the concerti:
Which one is your favourite
Which concerti did you play
Experiences during concerts, little anekdotes.......

Thank you in advance, and cheer me up with some great Mozart performances 

(For ones) MOZART4LIFE

[j_menz]

There is no single piece of music, written by Mozart, that is not perfect to my ears.

Try the fugue from K394.  It's the one piece I can think of by Mozart where you can hear the wheels turning, and holds a special place in my affections for just that reason.

[awesom_o]

I hated Mozart as a child. The older I get, the more I crave him. His mastery of form will probably never, ever, be surpassed. It is difficult to fathom the full extent of his mastery... opera, string quartet, piano duet, piano duo, piano solo, symphony.... you name it, Mozart mastered it.

Did you know that his violin concertos, which he composed before the age of 19, are STILL required audition repertoire for any violin section in any professional orchestra in the world? Mozart IS the bar by which artists are judged!

He composed concerti for every principal instrument of the orchestra. I suppose he neglected the cello quite a bit, but we can forgive him for that, being a violinist, after all!

His works for 1 piano 4 hands and 2 pianos are absolute genius.

I wouldn't consider it a GREAT Mozart performance by any means, but have you seen the video of me and my girlfriend playing the first movement of the 40th Symphony?

https://vimeo.com/84073111

[chopin4life]

Hi awesome_O,

I don't understand how you could hate Mozart, when you were a child.
It's such 'Naturalis music.
I had this with Bach; I just couldn't hear his music (although I had and have to play a lot of it in music school). But now, I'm just beginning to appreciate his music more and more.
Yes I had already watched that video, a lovely performance 

I want to know more about your special affection for the violoncello..

[awesom_o]

Keep in mind, I also hated avocados, tomatoes, and Baroque music. Simply put, my taste was inferior in those days, and not at all developed.

I love to play the cello! It can do so many wonderful things that the piano cannot do. Vibrato, crescendo on one note.... it's a great instrument.

[j_menz]

I love to play the cello! It can do so many wonderful things that the piano cannot do.

Even when you're not actually playing it.  Try this with a concert grand....



 

[awesom_o]

ROFL!

[promusician]

good at 1st hearing, but gradually bored after many listenings, would prefer romantics..

[awesom_o]

good at 1st hearing, but gradually bored after many listenings, would prefer romantics..

You may find it becomes more the other way around as you get older but.... heck, I love the romantics as well!

[thalbergmad]

I find many of Mozart's solo piano works to be predictable. You can just sense where it is going.

I consider Eberl & Woelfl to be his equal and Clementi to be superior.

Thal

[pover]

This is such a timely post. I just started working on his piano sonata k 331 in D major, and it's such a joy to practice. Sure, it may be full of scales and arpeggios and such, but it's just so energetic and joyful... and the 3rd movement is absolutely beautiful. There's a theme there that always puts a smile on my face.

These (childlike) qualities are what make Mozart such an appealing composer to many, myself included!

[chopin4life]

I find many of Mozart's solo piano works to be predictable. You can just sense where it is going.

True!! (Partially) that's just because his music is so perfect and natural. It expresses your own feelings.
But on the other hand, he composed the most beautiful melodies ever written..... predictable?
I don't think so.

I just can't believe that you think another composer is superior to him.
I feel sorry for you that you can't recognise true music when you hear it 
(I would like to know what is your favourite composer then.. Schumann??)

[mjames]

I love (kinda) mozart but this constant worshipping is a pain in the ass, and I agree with thal; I prefer Clementis sonatas to mozarts.

[mjames]

True!! (Partially) that's just because his music is so perfect and natural. It expresses your own feelings.
But on the other hand, he composed the most beautiful melodies ever written..... predictable?
I don't think so.

I just can't believe that you think another composer is superior to him.
I feel sorry for you that you can't recognise true music when you hear it 
(I would like to know what is your favourite composer then.. Schumann??)

>thal
>liking Schumann

Lol

>I can't believe you think someone's better than mozart.

There are no absolutes in music, and I like mine with a little bit more sense of triumph.

[chopin4life]

I knew this was going to be the sort of replies..
It wasn't my intention to worship anyone, I just wanted to share my joy, while listening to (and playing) Mozart's music.
And I would have loved some replies about your experiences with Mozart,
not the kind of replies like: "Mozart isn't great, I prefer others"..

I asked to CHEER ME UP with nice and positive things,
not to piss me off with replies like that...

Thank you music lovers 
(Please do me a favour  )

[mjames]

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that he wasn't great. It wasn't your intention but that's what you're doing. Keep jerking off to mozart.    

It's the same situation with Bach. I love mozarts music but its his annoying fans like you that put me off. While you're at it you can go write the 34556th biography and the 356474th analysis essay/book on the requiem he kinda wrote.

[visitor]

others share in your admiration. i like it too (though i like the symphonies best over the keyboard music).

Glinka was a fanboy too

[mjames]

others share in your admiration. i like it too (though i like the symphonies best over the keyboard music).

Glinka was a fanboy too

Oh god I love Glinka, liadov introduced me to him. For mozart, I prefer his operas over everything else he wrote. They're really something.

[chopin4life]

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that he wasn't great. It wasn't your intention but that's what you're doing. Keep jerking off to mozart.    

It's the same situation with Bach. I love mozarts music but its his annoying fans like you that put me off. While you're at it you can go write the 34556th biography and the 356474th analysis essay/book on the requiem he kinda wrote.

I didn't ask you to be so rude.
Now you are putting words in my mouth 

[chopin4life]

Thank you visitor  
And I'm not a 'fanboy' of any composer.
In this thread I just wanted to talk about the joy of listening to Mozart's music.
Tomorrow I could start one about Debussy's imagination, it doesn't matter.

[chopin4life]

Oh god I love Glinka, liadov introduced me to him. For mozart, I prefer his operas over everything else he wrote. They're really something.

And I'll be honest, I also prefer his concerto's, his symphonies and his opera's over his solo piano works..

[forte88]

Mozart got me interested in classical music in the same way the Beatles got me interested in popmusic. Even now, many years later, I can listen to his music all day without getting bored by it. That said I rarely play Mozart on the piano so I can understand why for people only interested in piano music Mozart isn't that great, but for anyone with reasonable taste in music Mozart is definitely one of the greatest if not the greatest.
If he'd lived to a decent age and had lived thru all the piano innovations I seriously doubt if anybody would have even heard of Beethoven, but as it is his concerti, symphonies, operas should be sufficient proof of his greatness even to the pianostreet 'connaisseurs'

[chopin4life]

Forte88,

Thank you for your reply, you are absolutely right.
It was the same with me; my dad made me familiar with Mozart and that's how I got interested in classical.
I'm glad someone understood me at last 

[coda_colossale]

not to piss me off with replies like that...

Welcome to Internet.

[thalbergmad]

I just can't believe that you think another composer is superior to him.

It is not particularly difficult and I am hardly on my own. If you expand your listening habits, perhaps in the years to come you might feel differently.

I would reiterate that I was referring to his piano solo works and I am specifically bored after years of listening to his sonatas. The sonatas of Dussek are way beyond the predictable twiddling of Mozart's efforts, he was far more individual and forward thinking enough to predict the romantics.

The recent recording of the Steibelt Op.6 No.2 sonata pleased me as much as anything by Mozart as did several works By Pinto.

Research, listen and learn is my advice.

Thal

[coda_colossale]

I just can't believe that you think another composer is superior to him.

Wagner, Liszt, Scriabin, Mahler, Chopin, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff, Schubert, Bach, Brahms, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Debussy, Ravel, Scarlatti, Bruckner, Berlioz, Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, Bartok, Montreverdi, Respighi, Schönberg, Messiaen, just off the top of my head...

[chopin4life]

Wagner, Liszt, Scriabin, Mahler, Chopin, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff, Schubert, Bach, Brahms, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Debussy, Ravel, Scarlatti, Bruckner, Berlioz, Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, Bartok, Montreverdi, Respighi, Schönberg, Messiaen, just off the top of my head...

And I can tell you that I love every single one of them (and even many more),
Pfffff...
I'll stop this discussion, it doesn't go anywhere.
You shouldn't think that I am someone who only listens to Mozart for example, I've got an interest for anything, any beautiful piece, any beautiful recording...
I think I didn't express things the right way and that you misunderstood me

[j_menz]

For mozart, I prefer his operas over everything else he wrote. They're really something.

Seria or buffa?

[chopin4life]

Research, listen and learn is my advice.

Thal

The more the merrier, I would say 
I'll take your advice 

[mozartalltheway]

Hi chopin4life,

i'm so glad to see that there's someone who has the same opinion on mozart as i do.
I listen to mozart all the time, and when i'm not, i hear his music in my head.
My personal favourite piece of him is the violin sonata no.20 K.303;
So what's your favourite piece?

[chopin4life]

Hi!!

I actually can't name a favourite piece..
I can tell you what I have listened to today: his 18th piano concerto, 28th symphonie and some excerpts from Don Giovanni 

Glad to have a soulmate 

[mozartalltheway]

Hi chopin4life

nice to hear you like don giovanni; you really should go watch it live (in Prague for example)

[visitor]

I think what tends to give such incredible refinement to the works is the mastery of the language. Just like in literature, the same thing can be said eloquently or awkwardly (bad syntax and sentence construction, common words, etc.).  Mozart new the language so well, it was a natural to him as speaking.

example lol

https://www.operaamerica.org/Content/Archive/OnlineLearning/donGiovanni/week1/overture.html

[goldentone]

Who knows but Constanze may have roused Wolfgang from his sleep.  Morning calls have a way to get one zesty about life.

[j_menz]

Who knows but Cosina may have roused Wolfgang from his sleep. 

Who?

Wouldn't Constanze have objected? 

[goldentone]

Right, J, Constanze.  "Cosina" was a variation of Cosima Wagner I had in my mind.

[j_menz]

"Cosina" was a variation of Cosima Wagner I had in my mind.

Any variation being likely an improvement on the original.