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Topic: Bach BWV 974  (Read 3883 times)

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Bach BWV 974
on: August 11, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Anyone an idea where to find a BWV 974, piano solo transcription of the Adagio, more refined than the one available on IMSLP ?

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Re: Bach BWV 974
Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
what do you mean more refined, is there something about how the piece is transcribed that you don't like? distribution of voices in the hands? handling of voice doubling? etc?

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Re: Bach BWV 974
Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 05:14:02 PM
Thanks for your quick reply.  I heard Alexandre Tharaud's interpretation on the radio and liked it a lot.


Here is an idea of what I heard...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXBDWzjReho

I don't mind that there is no annotation at all.  But I have unfortunately not the talent to improvise so beautifully and I miss the fiorituras.   It's not that it is a bad transcription, I'm just wondering if there would  be one available somewhere with a little more detail.   I'm missing some sauce.   Maybe Bach would have  written a clavichord solo version that way, why not, since he also told if I do remember it well that the 2 voice preludes "should be learned in the first place, but afterwards, do improvise around them".    

So, in short, is there a one that is less of a framework ?

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Re: Bach BWV 974
Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
The sauce you seem to be missing is ornamentation. My recommendation is that you have a play adding your own and see what works. It will give you the appropriate sauce, and serve you well for the future.
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Re: Bach BWV 974
Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 08:33:00 PM
The sauce you seem to be missing is ornamentation. My recommendation is that you have a play adding your own and see what works. It will give you the appropriate sauce, and serve you well for the future.

Before I'm totally misunderstood here, you are right, ornamentation is of course a main ingredient of the sauce.   And I think I can find out some ornamentation.  

But I truly think and feel that this transcription is missing in other details, like more coherent melodic lines.   And I may be mad or wrong, but it gets all blurred to the end, it loses sharpness.   When I compare it to the - professional - interpretation of Tharaud, it sounds like a total different piece of music compared to this transcription.   And even if it is the improvisational talent of Tharaud, or his arrangement, that makes it sound so different, I still do think that there is something off track in this transcription and I'm just trying to find out the existence of a better one.

Kind greetings to you all.

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Re: Bach BWV 974
Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 10:33:09 PM
You could try this one:

https://www.musicaneo.com/sheetmusic/sm-15717_concerto_for_keyboard_in_d_minor_bwv_974.html

It's the whole Concerto, but the Adagio is there in the middle.
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Re: Bach BWV 974
Reply #6 on: August 15, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
You could try this one

That's definitely a transcription.   And a beautiful one.   Thanks.   I came  along this  beautiful site "musicaneo", but for some reason I didn't print.   Was I unable to  print ? Did the "donate" message scare me  off ? I don't remember.   Musicaneo delivers beautifully edited  printing jobs.   If I was wealthy I would donate  some of  my fortune to IMSLP, to Musicaneo and... to Pianostreet of course.   Thanks a lot to them all and thanks a lot to you j_menz !
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