Beethoven's 'Ghost' Piano Trio question

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Përshëndetje 

I know chances are it's rather unlikely there's such a thing, but does anybody know of a piano solo transcription of this Beethoven piano trio's second movement (Largo assai ed espressivo) and where it might be found?

Cheers, as usual,
M.W.

[j_menz]

It's an original, but you may be able to obtain it by contacting the guy - it appears he's open to share.

You might even try out your Albanian on him. 

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Well then, if there's an opportunity to try out my Albanian on someone, why should I refrain from doing so, I should wonder, dear ole chap? 

Cheers for that! It's a pity the vid's sound quality is so bad, but it appears he certainly did a good job so yes, definitely worth trying out my Albanian on the guy.

Faleminderit! 

[j_menz]

Ju jeni shumë i mirëpritur..  

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Always a pleasure meeting another language lover and connoisseur   

[8_octaves]

Hi all,

to the Ghost-Trio of Beethoven / transcriptions for piano solo: I found some additional, but vague info-snippet, maybe some of you are interested in the story?

If so, I would appreciate that, and if not so, pls don't read further, the story is a little difficult, and the search for data was somehow inspiring (I only do inspiring searches, because they make the brain explode... )  , it seems to me! OK:

In addition to j_menz's awesome and good find, via which a transcription perhaps already has been obtained by the OP Wirbelwind, I "stretched out my search-tentacles"  for printed editions from the past, because i thought to myself: "In former times, somewhere there must have been announced or published kind of such transcription in printed form."

Stark, Dr. Ludw[ig], Klassischer Hausschatz werthvoller u. seltener Instrumental, vorzugsweise Kammermusiksätze in neuen Uebertragungen f. Pfte. Zweite Sammlung. Heft 19. Reinecke, C., Zwei Sätze a. d. Quartett. Op. 132 . Mk 1,50. Heft 20. Schubert, F., Drei Sätze a. d. Trios Op. 99 u. 100 . Mk 3. Heft 21. Beethoven, L. v., Drei Sätze a. d. Trios Op. 70 No. 1. 2 . Mk 3. Heft 22. Schubert, F., Rondo. Op. 70 u. 4 Ländler. Mk 3,30. Heft 23. Mozart, W.A., Sonate (D). Mk 3,50. Heft 24. Beethoven, L. v., Zwei Sätze a. d. Trio Op. 97 . Mk 2,50. Heft 25. Rheinberger, Jos., Zwei Sätze a. d. Quintett Op. 82 . Mk 2,40. Leipzig, Forberg.
März 1875.

Which means in English:
Stark, Dr. Ludwig, [Klassischer Hausschatz of valuable and rare instrumental-, preferred: chamber-music-movements in new transcriptions for pianoforte.] Second collection.
Issue 19: Reinecke, C., two movements from the quartet op. 132. [...]
Issue 20: Schubert, F., three movements from the trios op.99 and 100. [...]
Issue 21: Beethoven, L.v., three movements from the trios op.70 Nr.1 and 2. [...]
Leipzig: Forberg. March 1875.
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Our interest would be the issue number 21, as we can see. But note that it isn't specified exactly WHICH movements of the Ghost-Trio, transcribed for piano, it contains.

Nevertheless, I've got a little problem:

The only library that seems to hold, in my opinion, all of the [26] volumes, (issues) is the British Library. Here's the data from their OPAC:

Klassischer Hausschatz werthvoller und seltener Kammermusiksätze ... in neuen Ubertragungen für Pianoforte zu zwei Händen. ( = in English: [...] "in new transcriptions for pianoforte 2 hands." )
Published: Leipzg, [1874, 75]
Physical description: 26 hft ; fol.
Other names: Stark, Ludwig 1831-1884.
Location: Printed Music, St Pancras Reading Rooms    Shelfmark: h.3206.(2.)

(btw.: I don't know exactly what the "(2.)" means. Dangerous! Can imho mean a 2nd FULL SET of the volumes, but also...very bad things which I don't want to mention... . Also it could be, that even the British Librarians only checked for the total number of issues - without actually having them. That would be very bad, as we'll see... .
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...Whereas, which is really odd, in the German libraries, there only seem to be some issues or some content of some issues, e.g. some content of Nr. 14 (or the issue) is in the Library of the Hochschule für Musik und Tanz Köln, Köln HfMT. Other partial content (but not from (or the)  issue nr. 21, unfortunately!) can be found in the federate catalogue of some other federal German lands' libraries known by us as the GVK of the GBV. 

The mentioned German catalogues refer to the issues' numbers and publication-sequence (nrs. 1-26) traded e.g. by data received from the entry of the British Library-and from themselves.

Some other partial content can be found, e.g., in the Senate House Libraries, London.

So: Where are the other COMPLETE editions and issues ASIDE from the collection of the British Library? Hardly to imagine that they should be the only ones existing and printed.
Where is issue nr. 21 - aside from -seemingly-  the collection held by the almighty British Library???

Which movement(s) of the "Ghost-trio" are in the issue nr. 21?

Asking for help here,  with many cordial greetings,
8_octaves!

PS.: Some other topic concerning Stark's "Hausschatz"-volumes was discussed, as I saw, in the forums of IMSLP, but they don't know much either. Not helpful. Stark himself was known to me up to now only from some "collaborative" Etude (Lebert-Stark) mentioned in the Leimer-Gieseking Method-book of piano playing, which I have.

[8_octaves]

Where is issue nr. 21 - aside from -seemingly-  the collection held by the almighty British Library???

So, at least this question I can answer:

The volume Nr. 21 of Stark's "Klassischer Hausschatz" isn't held only -seemingly- at the British Library, but e.g., in Poland, too, in Katowice, in the Library of the Akademia Muzyczna w Katowicach.

Here's the data of the OPAC:

HASŁO GŁÓWNE:   Beethoven, Ludwig van (1770-1827).
TYTUŁ:   Drei Sätze aus den Trios op. 70 No. 1, 2 [Nuty] / Ludwig van Beethoven.
ZAPIS MUZ.:   [Wyciąg fortepianowy].
ADRES WYDAW.:   Leipzig : Rob. Forberg, [19-].
OPIS FIZ.:   23 s.
SERIA:   Klassischer Hausschatz : werthvoller und seltener Instrumental - vorzugsweise Kammermusiksätze : für Pianoforte zu zwei Händen / Bearbeitet und redigirt von Ludwig Stark ; H. 21
ZNAK WYDAW.:   1741
KLASYFIKACJA WEW.:   F I c 1
Nr Inwentarza IV 13223   / Sygnatura 13223 IV / Status Dostępna

Sorry it's in Polish language, and we -up to now- still don't exactly know which movement(s) of the Ghost-Trio it contains. But I think it's motivating to see, that the volume really exists.

(As does, as I can say to 100%, the volume Nr. 20 of Stark's Hausschatz, too, since there's content from it (from Nr. 20) available on IMSLP.)

Back to the Polish entry:

The word "Znak Wydaw.:" must mean "Plate Number". (it's 1741).
The word "Dostepna" (Status) should mean "accessible / deliverable" or sth. like that.

Here's the homepage of the Library:
https://www.am.katowice.pl/?a=641_katalog-biblioteki-opac

Cordially, 8_oct!