Hadyn over Mozart

[dlu]

Is it just me or do you think the piano music of Hadyn is of better "quality" (don't ask me what I mean by this...I don't rightly know myself) than Mozart's. I heard Gould though this and to be honest I kinda really agree with him. Thoughts on this?
DLu

[Daniel_piano]

Is it just me or do you think the piano music of Hadyn is of better "quality" (don't ask me what I mean by this...I don't rightly know myself) than Mozart's. I heard Gould though this and to be honest I kinda really agree with him. Thoughts on this?
DLu

Among the Mozart sonatas you can find very gems that are unique in their style

The commovent K310
The sparky K331 (especially the 3rd movement "alla Turca")
The too strange rhyhm variations of K280

On the whole though Haydn sonatas are more free and vital you can feel more freedom in the melodic structure and progressions
So, when you hear Mozart you feel something more harsh and accademical
Haydn is more free of rules and you can almost perceive a strong improvisation feature in his music

No one is better than the other, they're different
This is probvably the 1.000th times that I say this but I can't stand this "substitue" or "what is better" stuff
Why we're so focosed on having "this" or "thise" when we can easily have "both this" and "this"?

I don't think "quality" is the right word here, their sonatas are either good quality in the same manner

Daniel

[dlu]

Among the Mozart sonatas you can find very gems that are unique in their style

The commovent K310
The sparky K331 (especially the 3rd movement "alla Turca")
The too strange rhyhm variations of K280

On the whole though Haydn sonatas are more free and vital you can feel more freedom in the melodic structure and progressions
So, when you hear Mozart you feel something more harsh and accademical
Haydn is more free of rules and you can almost perceive a strong improvisation feature in his music

No one is better than the other, they're different
This is probvably the 1.000th times that I say this but I can't stand this "substitue" or "what is better" stuff
Why we're so focosed on having "this" or "thise" when we can easily have "both this" and "this"?

I don't think "quality" is the right word here, their sonatas are either good quality in the same manner

Daniel

I agree. Maybe my terminology didn't get my point across. They are in fact different. So, I guess this topic simply comes down to personal preference. I quess this is what I'm asking.
DLu

[Daniel_piano]

I agree. Maybe my terminology didn't get my point across. They are in fact different. So, I guess this topic simply comes down to personal preference. I quess this is what I'm asking.
DLu

I think I can't say I prefer one over the other
It's just like I listen to Haydn when I'm the mood best suited for Haydn and Mozart when I'm more in the mood best suited for Mozart
I like them both in the same way
Yes, the difference to me is that Mozart is more entrapped in the melody structure and hamorny rules of its composition while Haydn put more harmonyc freedom in his pieces
So I would think of Mozart sonata as a beautiful bird singing a beautiful melody in a cage, while I think of Haydn sonatas as a beautiful bird singing a beautiful melody while flying and zooming in the open country

Daniel

[DarkWind]

Meh, I was just sightreading a few Mozart sonatas a moment ago. Not sure about the Haydn sonatas, but I have to say, I found a lot of space to express myself in these beautiful sonatas. I had never liked Mozart much before, but these sonatas have started to open my eyes...

[BoliverAllmon]

I find that with alot of music. I never really know what is deep down inside the piece until I perform. I always come out with a deeper appreciation.

boliver

[Daniel_piano]

I find that with alot of music. I never really know what is deep down inside the piece until I perform. I always come out with a deeper appreciation.

boliver

I think it's impossible to dislike what you perform
It may be a "noisy" piece where you have to punch the keyboard randomly but you'll like it if you're the one studyig it, investing time in it and performing it
That's why we pianists are biased when we say that a piece is objectively good or bad
If we have studied and performed, it will be good (to us) no matter what
IMO

Daniel

[Hmoll]

Is it just me or do you think the piano music of Hadyn

I would say the piano sonatas of Haydn are "better." However, Mozart's best pieces were not his sonatas, but his piano concertos. If Haydn had written a large body of piano concertos, as Mozart did, it would be an interesting comparison.

Another difference between the two. Haydn's output spanned a much longer period of time, going back practically to the beginning of the development of the sonata as a form. The sonata was more "formed" bt the time Mozart began composing them.

[hodi]

i think haydn's greatest achievment isn't at the beauty of his sonatas, but their sturcture.. haydn is the "father" of the sonatas , he formed their structure and when mozart began composing the form of the piano sonata was ready for him.
BUT, haydn composed some very great sonatas, my favorites are the C Minor and the E Flat Major ones.

[bernhard]

Personally, I like Haydn sonatas better than Mozart’s – but this in no way imply superiority of one over the other. And I completely agree with Hmoll: it is not fair to compare both, since Haydn lived far longer than Mozart. Who knows what Mozart may have come up with had he lived as long.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.