latest Waltz op 64 no 2

[dima_76557]

I'm afraid it's a style that took me years to understand - sometimes described as an early 19th century Paris thing.  I'm not about to go backwards.  My style does not rely on skeletal support, difficult as that may make it.

In that case, you are surely making life more difficult for yourself than it could be. You can't walk on a balance beam before you learn to find balance on the floor, you know.

[hardy_practice]

The tiny movement you need comes from the knuckle bridge with the slight "pressure" felt as not going towards the finger, but to the outside of the palm .... Preferably no deliberate movements in the other joints...

In that case, you are surely making life more difficult for yourself than it could be. You can't walk on a balance beam before you learn to find balance on the floor, you know.

You would seem to have a single model of piano playing in your head and are consequently mixing chalk with cheese.  I don't play from the knuckles, I play from the nail joint.  I don't walk, I creep!

[dima_76557]

You would seem to have a single model of piano playing in your head and are consequently mixing chalk with cheese.  I don't play from the knuckles, I play from the nail joint.  I don't walk, I creep!

Even creeping requires skeletal support, only the balance problem is reduced, so I don't think your analogy works here.

The ones who write about the carrezando technique simply misunderstood it. It can't be done without skeletal support because that would be akin to "hydro sprinting" a.k.a. liquid mountaineering, which is a hoax.

You simply have to know where the point of sound is, time your movements accordingly and release immediately when you hear the sound result. It does in no way depend on any movements of the nail joints, although the latter may accompany it. Instead, the artistic image you want to hear should guide you to get the results you want, not that fingernail joint business. Again IMHO.

[hardy_practice]

You simply have to know where the point of sound is, time your movements accordingly and release immediately when you hear the sound result.

That I agree 100% with

It does in no way depend on any movements of the nail joints,

In my case it does.  I initiate the movement by the nail joint.

[dima_76557]

In my case it does.  I initiate the movement by the nail joint.

I told you already: initiating at the nail joint depends (at least) on some support in the knuckle bridge. Without the latter, you'll always depend on mere coincidence and you *can't* predict the result.
P.S.: Instead of concentrating on the separate finger movements, let the artistic image dictate what is right.

[hardy_practice]

There are different styles of playing.  You play from the knuckle like 95% of players and I play from the nail joint.  It's chalk vs cheese!

[nyiregyhazi]

There are different styles of playing.  You play from the knuckle like 95% of players and I play from the nail joint.  It's chalk vs cheese!

As are the results. Be arrogant when your results contain tonal control and the possibility of a real pp.

[hardy_practice]

Be arrogant...

That's rich, coming from the forum's own self-appointed caped crusader!  You've cried wolf so many times it's meaningless.

[nyiregyhazi]

That's rich, coming from the forum's own self-appointed caped crusader!  You've cried wolf so many times it's meaningless.

I don't even know what your mixed metaphor is supposed to mean. But you can learn to play pp before you start throwing advice back in people's faces. Success is the first thing required if you want to indulge in hubris. Listener's will not give two shits what text you can quote. They care about how you sound. If you can't play quietly with your method, you need to find a new one.

[hardy_practice]

I forgot you just get more vicious if your bluff is called.   I'll leave sleeping dogs to lie.

[nyiregyhazi]

I forgot you just get more vicious if your bluff is called.   I'll leave sleeping dogs to lie.

No, don't let anything lie. Learn the humility to accept excellent advice without trying to use a textbook to disprove it. Disprove it by accomplishing pp with your method, or ask yourself why you currently cannot do so.

[hardy_practice]

Learn the humility to accept excellent advice...

You mean be humble before your blog of bullshit?  You're kidding right?

edit: of course how silly of me:

[hardy_practice]

opps

[cbreemer]

Sounds like your piano is full of Rockwool 

[hardy_practice]

Sounds like your piano is full of Rockwool  

So my rubato won't affront the neighbours!