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Offline richardb

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Bach Invention 8 in F major fingering
on: October 12, 2014, 07:22:41 PM
I took some piano lessons as a child many years ago (I'm now in my 50s) and am a pretty good sight reader.  I never memorized anything though.  Now, I've decided to try to memorize a few works and have realized the importance of good fingering.  I've already memorized Invention 1 by Bach and a Scarlatti sonata, and am about to begin Invention 8 in F major.

In the book I'm using (Inventions and Sinfonias, edited by Willard A. Palmer, Alfred Masterworks edition) measure 4 is fingered starting with 2 4.  That repetitive figure (a c b flat c) occurs over and over. In measure 5 it's  f a g a, fingered starting with 1 4. 

What do you think of playing this repetitive figure always with 1 3 2 3?  Would that work? It seems to me that would be simpler.  BachScholar on youtube suggests always doing it this way. I know he is quite controversial on this forum, and may be a bit, shall we say, eccentric?  But, getting back to the fingering, is there anything wrong with this fingering?   

I don't understand the reason behind the suggested fingering. This same fingering (starting 2 4 in measure 4 and 1 4 in measure 5) appears in the score on this site.  Are there any advantages to using this fingering over 1 3 2 3?


Offline indianajo

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Re: Bach Invention 8 in F major fingering
Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
Many Europeans have a second, third and fourth finger much longer than their thumbs.  Look at the vidoes of V. Horowitz, for example, his third finger is incredible. If your third finger is that long, you have to curl it up massively to use it and the thumb alternately.    Most classical repretoire has fingering suggestions annotated first in Europe.  Mr. Horowitz looks Prussian/white Russian to me, physically. 
By contrast, my fingers aren't that much longer than my thumbs, so i use my thumbs a lot more than the fingering suggestions. My bone structure derives much more from my Native American (ie Siberian) ancestors than the European ones.  Using the thumb is not hard for me.
But, in that measure I use the 2-4 span in the right hand.  It's not more difficult really. You have to make a jump to get there, just which jump you use is important to be consistent.   The important thing really memorizing is to be consistent in fingering.
I lost my JSB Inventions book (Schirmer Busoni ed) when I was in the Army, and when I went back to them in my late fifties I had a hard time picking up things I already knew because my fingerings weren't written in the new book.  I wrote in some "new" fingerings, but found as the piece came back to me my brain went back to the old 40 year old fingerings. So I erased the pencil and wrote the old ones back int.  #8 is one of my favorites, I play it several times a week.  

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Re: Bach Invention 8 in F major fingering
Reply #2 on: October 12, 2014, 07:54:03 PM
when i learned this piece i just downloaded it online and my version didn't have any fingerings.  i have smaller than average hands and i naturally fingered measured 4 with (2,4,3,4) and fingered measured 5 with (1,3,2,3).  i had never taken lessons at this point so this is how my fingers naturally played these measures.  personally i think you should finger it however is most comfortable for you, nobody has identical hands to you (unless you have a twin) and can know how it feels for your hands and fingers.

Offline richardb

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Re: Bach Invention 8 in F major fingering
Reply #3 on: October 12, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
Thank you indianajo and cwjalex!

I don't understand the reason behind the suggested fingering. This same fingering (starting 2 4 in measure 4 and 1 4 in measure 5) appears in the score on this site.  Are there any advantages to using this fingering over 1 3 2 3?

Maybe it's because the 2434 fingering allows the 1 to come down to play the first note in the next measure.  Then 1434 2434 2434 allows the 1 finger to come down to play the first note in the next measure.  And so on. 

I think I may have answered my own question and will go with this suggested fingering.  What do you think?

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Re: Bach Invention 8 in F major fingering
Reply #4 on: October 12, 2014, 10:15:43 PM
Thank you indianajo and cwjalex!

Maybe it's because the 2434 fingering allows the 1 to come down to play the first note in the next measure.  Then 1434 2434 2434 allows the 1 finger to come down to play the first note in the next measure.  And so on. 

I think I may have answered my own question and will go with this suggested fingering.  What do you think?


You have the right idea. You will always have a finger in position for the next measure
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