How to tell how much makeup someone is wearing?

[bonesquirrel]

If that's so, then you should just be glad you were born male. You'll probably never have to worry about such issues

I personally would have no problem with such a statement, although it's rather vague and probably says more about the speaker than me.

Then again stupidity is as unappealing to me regardless of gender.

There are male feminists, also this is just a stupid statement. I support homosexual marriage, I'm not gay... What's your point here? You don't need to be affected by something to support it, me not being affected by it has nothing to do with why I don't support it.

First of all it wasn't directed to you, secondly it's not 'vague', it's very straight forward..... Also,all it says about me is that I dislike most Western world Feminism, which I do.

[bonesquirrel]

What about eliciting a reaction before posing a question that could produce a reaction? 

What? This question was posted to elicit a reaction.

[bonesquirrel]

Angry squirrely sir, that means you.

This actually was the most helpful of all things on here, it made me laugh lol thank you.

[perprocrastinate]

I stare at them and squint really hard.

[chopincat]

"Yup. I guess the fact that women make 77 every male dollar" - I have heard this argument so many times, the problem with it is that it pretty much universally fails to take any factor into account at all. It just looks at "a man makes this much, a woman makes this much, you averages together a bunch of cases and oh, women make less", that's all it is, an you always find different averages in a bunch of different 'study's'. There is so much more to it then "women get paid less because they are women". If you want to know, just ask me and I will happily dispense them to you.

"have been raped in 1 out of 5 cases" - In one out of 5 cases lol ok I don't know if that's true, in fact I'm not even sure what you mean by "cases" here. If you are saying that 1 out of 5 attempted rates a successful, that makes sense. But either way, this starts with Law and Order as well as bringing back some actual education in the Western world, people need to be taught more about empathy and why things are right and wrong. You are not going to do anything by saying "Women are f*cken equals", nobody cares, this has nothing to do with 'rights' of women. Only bad people rape other people, bad people don't care about gender equality. So not only does this actually have nothing to do with 'rights' of women, since I don't know if you noticed, but it's already illegal to rape people... Even if it was, feminism wouldn't do anything to help solve the problem, and isn't.

"are constantly discouraged from education" - Not in the developed world they aren't. In fact, women get better education in the developed world then men. So yeah, this is just false. You have no idea what you are talking about.

"are bought and sold for their virginity" - Ok? Yet again, not really much in the Western world, but yeah it does happen (most of the time, for money, it's called prostitution). Yet again, this is about Law and Order being enforced, has nothing to do with womens rights, it's only because most men find it really hard to get women without paying money (especially if you are involved in crime, no girl will want you)... Since there is way more heterosexual men looking for women, then there is gay men looking for men or women looking for men, this is the only reason that this happens. If it was the other way round, an men were the ones getting bought constantly for their virginity, I'd say the exact same thing I just did, except switch the genders around, I wouldn't go on about mens 'rights', has nothing to do with gender equality, law enforcement.

"and are forced into getting extremely painful inhumane surgeries just to prevent them from ever enjoying sex are just some "female issues that doesn't happen" (nice grammar btw!)" - What are you even talking about lol? I would respond to it, if I even understood it. It would be good to give at least one example of one surgery. Also thank you.


"Also, why would it matter at all that something doesn't happen in the western world? Do you think that people outside the western world are just non-people who don't deserve basic rights? What the *** is wrong with you?" - It actually does matter, because you are doing nothing to help the people in the undeveloped world. All you do is complain about things like how women are sexually objectified ect. Then you use sh*t that happens in the undeveloped world that doesn't even effect you as a back bone, which is not only unjust, it's utterly ridiculous. The Western world doesn't need Feminism, the undeveloped world however does, it needs the Feminism that was in the Western world in the early 1900s and late 1800s, it doesn't need the Feminist simpletons that populate the internet, complaining on blogs and sharing pictures on Facebook, that's what we don't need.

^ Basically all you said up there was "I don't believe this and feminists only do what I think they do and they're dumb." It's clear that you know very little about feminism, mainly from the fact that you seem convinced that we only care about changing laws and rights. That's such a small part of it. I'll give you an example. The Civil Rights bill was passed in the 1960s. Did it eliminate racism in the United States? Definitely not! Is there still racism in the US today? Of course! Social justice movements are about changing attitudes and overall patterns, not just laws. Systemic oppression is so much bigger than a country's laws.

I'm not going to spend the whole day trying to educate you because you are too convinced that you already know everything to ever listen to anyone else. But it is pretty appalling that you don't know what female genital mutilation is, so I'd really recommend that you read this: https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

Also, real intersectional feminists don't "use sh*t that only happens in the undeveloped world" to our advantage or whatever fucked up thing you're suggesting. We talk about it because it's upsetting and we want to spread awareness about it because we care about women world wide. I am 15 years old; I can't just go to some undeveloped country to lobby for girls' education and banning FGM. The least I can do is spread awareness to all the white privileged americans who wouldn't know about it otherwise.

The one in five statistic means that one in five women that you meet are rape victims. It's very real and rape is a serious problem worldwide, but also very much in the Western world as well. "Only bad people rape" is not going to solve the problem. Did you know that 97% of rapists will never spend a day in jail? So those bad people are just going to get away with it? You are right about one thing: it starts with proper sex education, because studies have shown that a lot of men don't even know what constitutes rape. Better education is what feminists want!! I don't know how you could call us the bad guys here...

All these response are completely ridiculous.... I can't believe that nobody here can get it in there head, that I DO NOT WANT TO ASK ANY GIRL HOW MUCH SHE IS WEARING. I just asked IF <<<<<<<<<<<------------------------- You can tell if someone is wearing it, just by looking at facial features. Sorry that I have to use caps ect. But everyone here is being so inept in their reasoning skills, just say "no you can't tell" or "yes you can tell, this is how" or just do not comment on here.

I look for quality over quantity, an this is just really large quantity, an the lowest quality possible. So a big load of sh*t basically.

Lol, are you the piano street police or something? The world is gonna end if we don't stay exactly on topic and answer the question the way you want us to? You don't get to control what happens on this thread any more than the rest of us do. If you don't like the advice we've given you, then leave. You've already seemed to have rubbed just about every person on this thread the wrong way anyway.

[cwjalex]

All these response are completely ridiculous.... I can't believe that nobody here can get it in there head, that I DO NOT WANT TO ASK ANY GIRL HOW MUCH SHE IS WEARING. I just asked IF <<<<<<<<<<<------------------------- You can tell if someone is wearing it, just by looking at facial features. Sorry that I have to use caps ect. But everyone here is being so inept in their reasoning skills, just say "no you can't tell" or "yes you can tell, this is how" or just do not comment on here.

how are they ridiculous?  by your own admission you asked a girl recently how much make up she was wearing.  your statement that this could be interpreted as a compliment is what generated a lot of off topic discussion. you further invited more off topic discussion by calling chopincat a feminism and expressing your views on it.  evidently you are allowed to veer off topic but nobody else is.  either you have an extremely inflated view of yourself or you are a giant hypocrite...or both.

[bonesquirrel]

how are they ridiculous?  by your own admission you asked a girl recently how much make up she was wearing.  your statement that this could be interpreted as a compliment is what generated a lot of off topic discussion. you further invited more off topic discussion by calling chopincat a feminism and expressing your views on it.  evidently you are allowed to veer off topic but nobody else is.  either you have an extremely inflated view of yourself or you are a giant hypocrite...or both.

I only said that because somebody said that nobody would ever take that as a compliment, that's the only reason I said that. I thought people would read the title and answer that, not a point I was trying to make to a single person.

When I said she sounded like a Feminist, I was joking, I had no idea she actually was one. I expressed my views on it because she attacked me with her whole "whats wrong with you?" bullsh*t, if you criticise me, of course I'll express my views on it.

I think I should have worded it better,I have no problems with off topic conversations, as long as you had actually given me advice in the real topic. at least answer my original question first. I never turned this conversation off topic, other people did, an me, because I'm a very stupid boy, responded to these, instead of ignoring how much people were missing the point.

[bonesquirrel]

Chopincat, in class. I will get back to you in PM.

[chopinlover01]

No I didn't see that gender equality post lol I actually just called her it because she sounded like one, I was only joking at first, I didn't think she actually was one.

Just a word of advice... Don't call people something jokingly if they wouldn't be okay with being called it for real. Most cases at least.

[lostinidlewonder]

Lick their face?

[cwjalex]

Just a word of advice... Don't call people something jokingly if they wouldn't be okay with being called it for real. Most cases at least.

he says he was joking but i don't buy it.  there was nothing joking about that post and he immediately followed this "joke" with "you just sound dumb".  it sure seemed rather serious.

[chopinlover01]

No, I know. I'm saying don't even say it as a joke, if you wouldn't be comfortable saying it seriously.
Not always the case with close friends, but it's a good rule to not royally piss off anyone over a piano forum.

[bonesquirrel]

he says he was joking but i don't buy it.  there was nothing joking about that post and he immediately followed this "joke" with "you just sound dumb".  it sure seemed rather serious.

What??? You don't buy it was a joke, lmao. Ok you know what whatever, you keep thinking that.

[cwjalex]

First of all, you sound like a feminist. That's all I can say about that, you just sound dumb, it's not even worth responding too. Don't take things out of context.

a) *guy repeats what he said*
b) Lmao, this is what this post is about you fool. No I don't know 'how to tell how much makeup someone is wearing', why don't you tell me, or don't comment on my post
c) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Definitely sound like a feminist. Yes, you look better with the make up on compared to when you are not wearing it, that kind of the point of wearing make up. Girls wear make up to look better, an they do............ HAHA!!

and what part of this post is joking? it's about as serious as you can get.  you can't fire off insults in an angry, condescending post and then claim that you were just kidding.  that's a move that children do to avoid responsibility.

[bonesquirrel]

and what part of this post is joking? it's about as serious as you can get.  you can't fire off insults in an angry, condescending post and then claim that you were just kidding.  that's a move that children do to avoid responsibility.

I said that the "her sounding like a Feminist" part was a joke, the rest wasn't me "just kidding". I never said it was. I only ever said I was joking when I called her a Feminist.

[jknott]

and why is calling someone a feminist an insult anyway?

[stevensk]

I suggest that ask your question in a taliban forum

[chopincat]

and why is calling someone a feminist an insult anyway?

damn right!!

[bonesquirrel]

and why is calling someone a feminist an insult anyway?

I could explain myself why, which would probably be something that needs covering in private messages, since it would be so large. But if you want a quick explanation...

[bonesquirrel]

I suggest that ask your question in a taliban forum

lol

[chopinlover01]

It isn't. The main issue with feminism is that some (hint: not all) of them, like stated in the video, find an excuse to make everything sexist and everything about women.
Yes, the fact that men make more than women in any given ethnicity is a bad thing.
Yes, the fact that one in five women are rape victims is a bad thing.
But, it's also just as stupid when you blame men for looking at you if you wear a shirt that shows off 3/4 of your breasts, and then say "I'm just expressing myself" or, "It's just how I dress, and you're sexualizing it."
What would your reaction be if a man walked down the street with his pubic hair showing? Granted, this is a drastic example, but many feminists bring up just as extreme examples.
I'm willing to bet that your reaction would be to turn away in disgust. Mine would be too. But if we are allowed to see those kinds of disgust reactions as normal, then wouldn't it be logical to look at the things we find the opposite of disgusting? Ergo; women wearing nothing but a thong and pasties in public (especially a thing near where I live). It's one thing to express yourself, it's another to go around so undressed that it looks like you've just retired from the local brothel.
But we do often put lower hierarchical value on women in pictures subliminally, yes. In the picture given in the video in the beginning, which of the two people (the man holding the women down, and the women being held down) seems more capable of defending his or herself? The answer is obvious in our brains because that's how they perceive things.



I actually find this really funny (not that this is at all a humorous issue) that this went from a thread of how to tell how much makeup someone is wearing (a non important question that doesn't really need to be asked in the first place) to Feminism (a social issue).

[bonesquirrel]

I actually find this really funny (not that this is at all a humorous issue) that this went from a thread of how to tell how much makeup someone is wearing (a non important question that doesn't really need to be asked in the first place) to Feminism (a social issue).

I asked the makeup question, out of curiosity. The same as when I asked about "How to tell if someone has shaved with an electric or manual blade", just curious. However, the shaving question was from me watching Sherlock Holmes and asking myself "is that actually possible", this is just me, wondering.

[chopincat]

But, it's also just as stupid when you blame men for looking at you if you wear a shirt that shows off 3/4 of your breasts, and then say "I'm just expressing myself" or, "It's just how I dress, and you're sexualizing it."
What would your reaction be if a man walked down the street with his pubic hair showing? Granted, this is a drastic example, but many feminists bring up just as extreme examples.
I'm willing to bet that your reaction would be to turn away in disgust. Mine would be too. But if we are allowed to see those kinds of disgust reactions as normal, then wouldn't it be logical to look at the things we find the opposite of disgusting? Ergo; women wearing nothing but a thong and pasties in public (especially a thing near where I live). It's one thing to express yourself, it's another to go around so undressed that it looks like you've just retired from the local brothel.

I think you are misunderstanding some of the points about slut-shaming and hyper-sexualization that often come up in feminist discussions.

First of all, I don't think it's reasonable to force anyone to look away from clothing that stands out to them and treat it as completely normal. And I don't think that's what most feminists want either. What becomes a problem is when women (or anyone for that matter) are made to feel uncomfortable and unsafe because of the way they are dressed. Grabbing someone's ass or telling them all the ways you want to give it to them are all forms of sexual harassment and are not acceptable, and yet they happen to women on a daily basis. No one is "asking for it" because of what they wear.

In terms of more casual cat-calling, like telling a random girl on the street that they're gorgeous or something like that, I can see why men would get frustrated at why girls can't just "take the compliment." I think what people fail to realize is that these kinds of comments can still make people feel threatened and unsafe. I'll give you an example: about a year ago (I was 14) I was walking home through the park alone. For a short while, two much older boys started following me from behind and whispering to each other. Eventually they walked right up in front of me and told me that I thought I was beautiful. It was extremely frightening: I was alone and there was two of them, we were in a park with no one around, and they were clearly older and stronger than me. They could have done anything to me. Maybe they were just trying to give me a compliment, but it still made me feel uncomfortable and unsafe and it's very easy to see why. The other problem with enforcing this type of cat-calling is that it contributes to the systemic problem of women only being seen/valued for their physical attributes. Countless strange men off the street have told me that they think I'm gorgeous, but very few boys have ever approached me after class to say "I think you made a really interesting comment."

With regards to a man with his pubic hair showing, I really wouldn't mind that much. Would I be attracted to the man? Probably not. But would I go out of my way to act like he's disgusting and I don't want to go near him? No! And I certainly wouldn't call him a slut for it. Personally, I like wearing tight clothes, crop tops, and low necklines from time to time because they make me feel beautiful and sexy. Those clothes don't make me a prostitute, they don't say anything about how many guys I've been with, and they don't mean that I have no self worth. They are just clothes that I enjoy wearing and make me feel confident.

[jknott]

Who raised the question of feminism in this thread? Not the feminists but those who used the word as a casual insult. But the puerile bigotry of this forum never ceases to amaze me.

[bonesquirrel]

Who raised the question of feminism in this thread? Not the feminists but those who used the word as a casual insult. But the puerile bigotry of this forum never ceases to amaze me.

Nobody "raised the question", chopincat's original tone and subject was on Feminism, even if she didn't mention it directly. Look back at the 2nd reply she sent. All I did, was point out that it sounded like it, which is did, so you can't really blame me for recognizing that it sounded like Feminism, when it actually did sound like Feminism. Yet again, it wasn't an insult, just a joke, even though by my standard, someone calling me a Feminist would be an insult, it doesn't mean that just because that's my view of Feminism, that whenever I refer to it, it must be a serious insult.

First of all, Feminism, whether you are for or against it, is never puerile. This is also not bigotry, I am not opposed to Feminists, only to what they say, especially if it betrays males, and even more so if it is said directly to me, even targeted at me, which in this case, some of the statements made fitted that. The same with religion, I don;t care what you believe, as long as you keep to yourself about the idea, only sharing it with people who agree with you... Not those who disagree, especially when it is paired with "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!!", which this also was paired with. This is not bigotry, this is a reaction to bigotry.

[j_menz]

I am not opposed to Feminists, only to what they say,

As in "I quite like banjos as long as you don't play them"?

[cwjalex]

you can still be for equal rights for women and be against the feminist movement.  you can still be for the advancement for color people and be against the NAACP.  you can still be for civil liberties and be against the ACLU.  you can still be for humane treatment of animals and be against PETA. 

[chopincat]

you can still be for equal rights for women and be against the feminist movement.

I understand what you're saying, but I really wish people would stop treating "the feminist movement" like one organization that has a set of beliefs that everyone within it follows. There are so many different kinds of feminists, a lot of which disagree with each other on many things. To call yourself a feminist, according to the dictionary, is just to call yourself someone who believes in equal rights for men and women. So yes, you can be for gender equality and disagree with some feminists, or some parts of "the feminist movement." But being in support of gender equality means you are a feminist by definition.

I am not opposed to Feminists, only to what they say, especially if it betrays males, and even more so if it is said directly to me, even targeted at me,

So basically "I don't like it when I have my privilege checked"

[cwjalex]

the problem with using a dictionary definition for feminism is that the modern feminist movement goes far beyond the simple support of gender equality.  there is a reason why there are prominent women like julie bishop who do not want to be associated with the feminist movement.  there are whole organizations of people, many women, who are against the feminist movement because they are known to be bullies that are more about dehumanizing men than they are about equality for women.  if feminism simply meant gender equality you wouldn't have a large amount of women who are against it.  what woman would be against gender equality?  

here's an article about why a lot of men and women hate the term feminism.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11220536/Why-men-have-a-problem-with-the-word-feminism.html

[jknott]

When feminism is so demonised it's hardly surprising politicians seek to distance themselves.

[cwjalex]

it's demonized for a reason.  feminists have said some crazy stuff.  here is another example of a woman who early on embraced feminism but then also began to distance herself once she got a little older.

https://thefederalist.com/2014/12/09/why-i-left-feminism-or-how-feminism-left-me/

[chopincat]

the problem with using a dictionary definition for feminism is that the modern feminist movement goes far beyond the simple support of gender equality.  there is a reason why there are prominent women like julie bishop who do not want to be associated with the feminist movement.  there are whole organizations of people, many women, who are against the feminist movement because they are known to be bullies that are more about dehumanizing men than they are about equality for women.  if feminism simply meant gender equality you wouldn't have a large amount of women who are against it.  what woman would be against gender equality?  

But you are still acting like feminism is some organization, like PETA or the NAACP like you wrote in your last post. There is not one "feminist movement" that people can distance themselves from. There is not one "modern feminist movement." Feminism is a term that many people associate themselves with, but those people don't all believe the same things. When you say that feminism goes far beyond supporting gender equality, I don't even know what you're talking about. What feminism? Who's feminism? Can you give me some kind of example? Regardless, not all feminists are going to agree with that example.

[rachmforever]

feminism is really bad thing !  You just should normally say to girl her makeup is too much..

[cwjalex]

how about some of these quotes by famous feminists

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." -- Andrea Dworkin

Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." -- Andrea Dworkin

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." -- Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

[jknott]

it's demonized for a reason.  feminists have said some crazy stuff.  here is another example of a woman who early on embraced feminism but then also began to distance herself once she got a little older.

https://thefederalist.com/2014/12/09/why-i-left-feminism-or-how-feminism-left-me/

People on this forum have said some crazy stuff too. We can do without being patronised thank you. Feminism isn't a phase you grow out of.

[cwjalex]

People on this forum have said some crazy stuff too. We can do without being patronised thank you. Feminism isn't a phase you grow out of.

you're putting people on this forum on the same level as some of the people i just quoted? sure you can say they don't represent your ideas but why in the world would you want to be associated in the same ideological movement as people who espouse these beliefs? it's not just a few random nutjobs either.  you can find countless insane quotes by dozens of prominent feminists who say things just like this.

[jknott]

Er, yes. In my experience the views on this forum rival anything you've quoted.

[cwjalex]

Er, yes. In my experience the views on this forum rival anything you've quoted.

i don't think anyone on this forum has quite the same amount of prominence as the people i quoted. some of the people i quoted are some of the most influential people of the 20th century.

[bonesquirrel]

As in "I quite like banjos as long as you don't play them"?

Yes, very good sir!

But it's a bit more like "I don't care if you play a banjo, just don't play it to me"

[bonesquirrel]

you can still be for equal rights for women and be against the feminist movement. 

Exactly.

[bonesquirrel]

I understand what you're saying, but I really wish people would stop treating "the feminist movement" like one organization that has a set of beliefs that everyone within it follows. There are so many different kinds of feminists, a lot of which disagree with each other on many things. To call yourself a feminist, according to the dictionary, is just to call yourself someone who believes in equal rights for men and women. So yes, you can be for gender equality and disagree with some feminists, or some parts of "the feminist movement." But being in support of gender equality means you are a feminist by definition.

So basically "I don't like it when I have my privilege checked"

"Feminism is the idea that we can make both sexes equal by focusing solely on the issues of one of them." - The Amazing Atheist

No, basically, I don't like it when you say I have a privilege, when I don't.

[chopinlover01]

On the subject of what Bonesquirrel said, I do wish that people would realize that men also do deal with stereotyping on a day to day basis; not on the scale of women that do, but related to that: Men are often seen as pricks who just want to get into womens' pants. And granted- there are men like that. But they are actually not the majority. I'll leave you all with this quote, that I think sums up everything that men have to deal with:
"I'm a white male. Women think I'm oafish and rapey, blacks think I'm rascist, asians think I'm lazy, and my compatriots think I'm an idiot.
I'm everyone's ***."

[chopincat]

"I'm a white male. Women think I'm oafish and rapey, blacks think I'm rascist, asians think I'm lazy, and my compatriots think I'm an idiot.
I'm everyone's ***."

Careful now. White men may have to deal with stereotyping on a day-to-day basis, but that is very different than systemic oppression. White men are still a group that hold a lot of privileges in comparison to other groups. Here are some examples:

https://herschel.uci.edu/cmcasey/diversity/male_privilege.pdf

https://www.sap.mit.edu/content/pdf/white_privilege_checklist.pdf

And the thing is, there are stereotypes about everyone. There may be a whole lot of stereotypes about white men, but there are just as many about black men and asian men, as well as white women, asian women and black women.

Of course, it's no one's fault that they have the privileges that they do, and no reasonable person is going to look down on all white men just for being privileged! It is important to recognize your privilege, however.

[chopinlover01]

I never denied for a minute that white men have it better than most; mostly because we are the dominant racial group where I live. But people tend to push white racism under the rug when it's just as violent- I heard an anecdote from a local police officer about a white guy in Alabama who was knocked out, nailed to the loft of his barn by his you-know-what, and the barn was lit on fire- for hitting on a local black girl.
Also, the quote was mostly me joking around at whatever time it was. Like 9 ish.
After 48 hours of being awake, everything seems funny 

[outin]

On the subject of what Bonesquirrel said, I do wish that people would realize that men also do deal with stereotyping on a day to day basis; not on the scale of women that do, but related to that: Men are often seen as pricks who just want to get into womens' pants. And granted- there are men like that. But they are actually not the majority. I'll leave you all with this quote, that I think sums up everything that men have to deal with:
"I'm a white male. Women think I'm oafish and rapey, blacks think I'm rascist, asians think I'm lazy, and my compatriots think I'm an idiot.
I'm everyone's ***."

I wonder why don't they start their own movement then instead of complaining about feminism?

[chopincat]

I wonder why don't they start their own movement then instead of complaining about feminism?

Oh they have, it's called Men's Rights Activism, look it up if you want a good laugh.

[outin]

Oh they have, it's called Men's Rights Activism, look it up if you want a good laugh.

So what should we call them? Maleists?

[chopincat]

So what should we call them? Maleists?

From what I can tell they just call themselves MRAs.

[outin]

From what I can tell they just call themselves MRAs.

Mentally retarded adults?  

But seriously, I don't doubt that there's a real need for such a movement, since inequality is present for both genders. It's a much more healthy way to address things than bitching about feminism.

[j_menz]

both genders.

And some would argue that that concept, of itself, discriminated against them.