Music you just hate!

[dschoenenberger]

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[guven]

In consider Rach 1234 very hard. Perhaps this is because passion is packed in the notes. Do you know MIDI format? Listen to the MIDI of a Rach concerto! It sounds passionate even though its sad computer music.  

Umm, I 've practised all of 'em, didn't play with an orchestra but oh well.. Played only Rapsodie un sur theme de Paganini with orchestra . But that doesn't mean it makes me a piano goddess right ? This is what I was trying to say with '..is not a big deal' . If they were 'unplayable' , noone could play .Since they are very popular and preferable works in concerts ... I'm not a Rach fan anyways .. - not a Bach fan either -  but I appreciate them both as a great composer,pianist .

As somebody said here, some Bach patterns are the rudiments for actual compositions.

This is something like ; calling the man stupid who invented the candle just because Edison invented light bulb. If there was no candle, people couldn't be aware of the light or they wouldn't think that it might have been posible to have light except for the sunlight...

That just doesn't mean Edison was smarter. They both made great jobs as to their times .

Anyways, I have had enough with Bach issue, I've almost explained what I wanted to mean . Good luck .

[Wired]

I do not link <progress> and <love for Bach/Mozart>.

I didn't mean progress, I meant musical appreciation, which generally comes with both progress, learning about history, and listening.

It may be your case but you cant generalize on that.

And many others, since I'm not the only one to point out this trend.

With me, this is slightly different. I only play what I *and the audience as well* love, and thats always more than enough.

And how do you decide what the audience will enjoy? If you were to play a Bach concerto, people would show up. If you played it well, people will applaud and thank you for letting them listen to you. If you play a Rach concerto, people will show up. If you play it well, people will applaud and thank you for letting them listen to you. You can only please your target audience, so my theory is, I'll play what I want to play, and the people that want to hear it will hear it.

As a pianist, you wont ever impress the real mass anyway.

If you're a versatile pianist that doesn't limit himself/herself to just playing one type of music, you can impress most people.

[/quote]I also know people who truly enjoy Bach (they’re). but why don’t I then?[/quote]
Well, no one can answer that question. Perhaps you haven't listened to the right pieces, or haven't watched someone play, or haven't actually played any yourself.

Personally, my hatred for the composers that you mention (I used to feel the same way as you) stemmed from childhood. It was a state of mind I got myself in. Romantic compositions are very very addictive, and I always told myself I hate other pieces. I need drama, big chords. It wasn't until I got a few Horowitz DVDs, sat down, and watched them. One was him recording a Mozart Concerto. It was beautiful. Also, the pamphlet included and the interviews on the DVDs made me appreciate the music more. From that point on, I started looking at Bach and Mozart in a very different way.

[eddie92099]

With me, this is slightly different. I only play what I *and the audience as well* love, and thats always more than enough.

I think you may find, if you become a professional concert pianist, that there will be a much greater demand for the least popular of Beethoven's Concerti than for say, a Bartok Concerto. Remember, even though we may prefer to listen to the Bartok, the general classical music audience is not as fully educated in music as the performer and will probably find some 20th century music more inaccessible.

You have well learned music history. I don’t however agree with all of that. In my opinion, romanticism reached its peak around and after 1900 with Rach. I know that teachers tell you it began before. Liszt was an early bird. I insist: Liszt anticipated for he was both the first and before Rach.    

There's no point arguing with you. You are incorrect in your knowledge of music history. Please go and read a book on it before making these claims.

There may be a definition of Romaticism referring to the whole world. You have to boil it down. With me, it boils down to Rach.

Rachmaninov is a throwback to Romanticism. The Romanticism of Chopin, Schumann, Liszt, Brahms etc.. He said so himself.

 
If you succeed in making a Bach sound elaborate I greatly appreciate that. It is hard work because it is not elaborate yet.  

Clearly you have not heard enough Bach.

In consider Rach 1234 very hard. Perhaps this is because passion is packed in the notes.

They are hard because of the number of notes.

Do you know MIDI format? Listen to the MIDI of a Rach concerto! It sounds passionate even though its sad computer music.  

 

No need, I have Ashkenazy's recordings (joke!).

My opinion is, Bach is worse than most 1900+ composers plus Liszt.

I would rather listen to most 20th century composers than Bach. I do not think they are better composers though,
Ed

[liszmaninopin]

I really don't hate any music except modern pop, rap, etc. which uses vulgarities.  As for piano repertoire, however, I have always had a special dislike for Mozart and Haydn.  I'm sorry if somebody really loves these composers, but I find them rather boring.  I also dislike music that might be described as thin; with only a thing or two going on at one time.  Give me complexity!  Fur Elise or most of Anna Magdalena Bach's notebook and similar beginner's pieces can be a tad dull.    

However, generally the richer the sound, the more I like it.  I can accept dissonance (and in a moderate form, I think it can add to the music), but one modern composer who I specifically don't like is Xenakis.
In contrast, I greatly enjoy some Liszt (but I've never liked the works where he does too many scales), most Chopin, and nearly all Rachmaninoff.  Also, I have a fascination with the long winded works of Sorabji.  

[Musicisall]

I don't get whats so wrong with clari de lune, it's amazing.  Ok so it's a little slow, so good songs have to be fast and hard to play, no it's what the people like.  I mean even if that is what counts to you ( being fast and hard to play) there is a totally non-closely related key change in there that I can't even decifer.  It's just amazing that dubussy can do that.  For whatever it is he wansn't thinking "how hard can I make this piece" he was thinking "this would sound good" and if you can hear that kind of music in your head along with that key change you are amazing.  In all I respect all of your opinions and if you totally dissagree with me tell me why.  But I love music and I know what I love and to me, if you think a song is bad just because it's easy to play thats just wrong.  So I dunno tell me off, but this is what I belive.

From,
Toe-knee

P.s. if you think Moonlight sonata is overated think back I know for a lot of people that was the song that got them into classical music, it was for me.  So it's palyed to much, still it's a great piece.

P.P.S
I was a little drunk when I wrote this so please excluse any spelling erros and other mistakes.

[cziffra]

tippet once had the bright idea of setting someone's autobiography to music and the result, boyhood's end, is utter trash.  never have i heard a more calamitously uncongenial mixture of words, singing and piano- nothing complements or suits the other, and it's so ridiculously bad i had to laugh

[BET23]

"This is something like ; calling the man stupid who invented the candle just because Edison invented light bulb."

BEST LINE EVER... this is genius thinking, what a comparison, i really though it was clever!

[Beet9]

BARTOK BARTOK BARTOK BARTOK BARTOK

[eddie92099]

BARTOK BARTOK BARTOK BARTOK BARTOK

,
Ed

[IgnazPaderewski]

"You have well learned music history. I don’t however agree with all of that. In my opinion, romanticism reached its peak around and after 1900 with Rach. I know that teachers tell you it began before. Liszt was an early bird. I insist: Liszt anticipated for he was both the first and before Rach."

NO! Liszt WAS a romantic, he did not anticipate romanticism. He paved the way for other styles after romaticism. He is the archetypal romantic. Rachmaninoff was in a sense an anachronism because he was writing a la Tchaikovsky during the same period as Stravinsky and Prokofiev (and debussy, ravel etc) were writing in a completely different style.

"My opinion is, Bach is worse than most 1900+ composers plus Liszt."

Die, you heathen scum. Would you care to present an objective argument to accompany this ridiculous and outlandish statement?

[anda]

ok, what do you mean by "music you just hate"? music you hate playing or music you hate even listening? speaking for myself, there aren't too many works i "hate" (i don't particulary like, say, mendelssohn g major concerto, but i can't hate it). i don't think, if you truly are musician, that you could absolutely "hate" anything that is music!

what i hate... i hate having to play mozart (except for 3 particular concertos), or haydn, or even most of bach's works, and i find much more pleasure in playing anything romantic or contemporary or modern... but i love listening horowitz, or lipatti playing mozart, or radu lupu playing schubert, or richter playing bach - it's awesome!!! so, again, what do you mean?

[anda]

I have always had a special dislike for Mozart and Haydn.  I'm sorry if somebody really loves these composers, but I find them rather boring.  I also dislike music that might be described as thin; with only a thing or two going on at one time.  Give me complexity!  Fur Elise or most of Anna Magdalena Bach's notebook and similar beginner's pieces can be a tad dull.    

However, generally the richer the sound, the more I like it.  I can accept dissonance (and in a moderate form, I think it can add to the music), but one modern composer who I specifically don't like is Xenakis.

try taking some time to enjoy a simple sonority - try remembering that music begins with two notes. remember beethoven places cresc between two long notes - and try understanding all the passion he put in those two notes! in one word, try listening to less metal (no offence anybody!) and more music.

[Hannah Joy]

I don't know of too much music after Bach that begins with just two notes (yes, I know what you meant, anda).
I find it hard to enjoy the vast majority of 20th century music.  There is some great stuff out there, but it's swamped by the rest.  The closer you get to atonal, the more painful it is to listen to.  Bartok does have some interesting rhythms though.  I wish John Rutter would write piano music!
As far as being able to appreciate different styles, there's some music that anyone can hear and enjoy, and a lot that you have to understand to appreciate.  I didn't care for Bach's 2-part inventions (except for No. 14) until I took a class in 18th century counterpoint (and tried to write one).  The more you know to listen for, the more enjoyment you get from listening.
That's my view, for what it's worth.

[eddie92099]

The closer you get to atonal, the more painful it is to listen to.

Fine. You listen to a C major scale and I'll listen to Wozzeck ,
Ed

[IgnazPaderewski]

"I wish John Rutter would write piano music!"

I don't.

[eddie92099]

"I wish John Rutter would write piano music!"

I don't.

Maybe if he did then he wouldn't have had the time to write that god-awful Magnificat,
Ed

[Ecthelion]

I can't understand the music of F.Schubert. Some time ago I was at a concert with different pieces of him (h Sonata I think, Rondos, Dances, ...) and I felt very bad after it. I only constated that I felt nothing after it.

I hate trance, house and all these other synthesizer "music" (=noise).

Also very bad is some austrian music (called "Älplermusig") which is often played in the restaurants of the mountains of switzerland when I go snowboarding. I only hate this "music".

[eddie92099]

I can't understand the music of F.Schubert. Some time ago I was at a concert with different pieces of him (h Sonata I think, Rondos, Dances, ...) and I felt very bad after it. I only constated that I felt nothing after it.

I know exactly how you feel! I find his music very cold compared to Schumann who is very warm.

(thank goodness for Debussy's Claire de Lune - or as another put it - Leave the Room!   )

Or as Victor Borge put it, "Clear the saloon",
Ed

[Ecthelion]

I know exactly how you feel! I find his music very cold compared to Schumann who is very warm.

That's it! I think too that Schumann has a warm, lovely music. But after listening to Schubert I feel like "empty", sorry, but I can't change...

regards, Ecthelion

[Hannah Joy]

Fine. You listen to a C major scale and I'll listen to Wozzeck ,
Ed

I'd have to say I prefer even the C major scale to Wozzeck.  The hymn tune ANTIOCH (with the text "Joy to the World") begins with a descending major scale, as does "Pas de Deux" from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite.  There's plenty of tonal music for my listening enjoyment - you can have Wozzeck.

[eddie92099]

I'd have to say I prefer even the C major scale to Wozzeck.  The hymn tune ANTIOCH (with the text "Joy to the World") begins with a descending major scale, as does "Pas de Deux" from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite.  There's plenty of tonal music for my listening enjoyment - you can have Wozzeck.

Philistine,
Ed

[e60m5]

The Barton String Quartet I am currently analysing in my theory class is something that I wished I wasn't.

[Rob47]

I can't really explain music i just hate.

I guess John Cage, because its just too far from anything i can even try to understand as music.  come on.  It's like he wrote it for shock value or something.  I'm sure someone could explain to me its music, and i don't disagree.  I woulnd't buy any cd's of john cage performances tho.
I can perform 4'33 better than anyone here and im getting sick of it. (i'm so funny.)

No seriously though.  I was reading previous posts of an argument where someone was saying Bach is weak and this and that and not creative.  Well all I have to say to that i guy is, ok if it is your opinion that you don't like bach taht's cool, he's not one of my favs but s**t man!! try writing a fugue or analysing the subjects answers counter subjects and everything in betwen, you got to give the man credit.

Rachmaninov is very enjoyable though, I don't know why people hate on rach 3 so much...is it because it got "hollywoodized" in shine?

And also some eearlier on in this list said something about not liking stravinsky? again yes you are entitled to your opinion, but listen to the piano arrangement of Petrouchka in three movents. That is just breathtaking and filled with excitement.  And you can't help loving the "petrouchka" chord in the 2 mouvement....

Rob

[eddie92099]

:-/ I don't get it....

Take a look at the score: https://homepage1.nifty.com/iberia/score_gallery_cage1.htm

Thank you!! HATE that Stravinsky!!  

,
Ed

[Shagdac]

I love Liszt....particularly La Campanella, however one piece I just can't seem to let inside is Liszt Etude
Feux Follets. Not sure why. Anyone else?

[eddie92099]

Ed,
Went to the site you mentioned.  It showed me a picture of the front cover of the score, but I couldn't see any page samples.  Is there something I should be doing that I'm obviously not?  I put the mouse over the image but it won't let me in!!!  

The score has the words: Part one, tacet; Part two, tacet; Part three, tacet,
Ed

[bernhard]

4 33 is John Cage's most famous (notorious?) piano piece.

The pianist sits at the piano and stays there in silence for 4 minutes and 33 seconds.

That's it.

It is divided in three parts. First part 33 seconds, second part 2 minutes and 40 seconds and third part one minute and 20 seconds. (Tacet means silence)

Cage's idea was that silence was actually impossible, and by performing 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence you would be listening to the several sounds created by the audience (shuffling uneasily in your seat if you didn't know what was going on, coughing, breathing, background noises form the building, the street and so on).

Some pianists show the break between parts by opening and closing the piano lid.

Although it seems like a joke, it is surprisingly difficult to perform. Try it on an unsuspecting audience. See for how long you can just sit at the piano while the audience grows restless. Believe me (I tried), 4 minutes and 33 seconds is a long time!

See here for more information of the piece and its performance:

https://www.azstarnet.com/~solo/4min33se.htm

Also have a look at this thread where there is a funny follow up to all this:

https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=misc;action=display;num=1073297398

I dislike Cage’s music intensely. I love his writings and philosophy on music.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[scriabinsmyman]

OK, I can stand listening to Bach, and I really enjoy his Brandenburg...but playing him is just a PAIN!!! Especially the fugues...yea, i have like a 10 hour program memorized, but i have a he!! of a time memorizing a 2-minute fugue...go figure

[squinchy]

Note: I'm not an amazingly advanced concert pianist like some of you. I'm at a stage that some would call "Late Intermediate." Therefore, I haven't played Rachmaninoff or much of the Bach stuff that people seem to have strong feelings about. Don't hurt me!!!

I dislike things that seem like they will never end. This includes those dry rondo movements of some sonatinas *cough*Kuhlau and Clementi*cough*, themes that repeat a few too many times, and basically anything beyond 20 minutes that contains the two elements above. Long pieces/concerti don't bother me if they're exciting.

[comme_le_vent]

i dont hate any music - i am indifferent about alot of music, i like alot of music, and i love a fair amount of music.

heres an interesting topic - is 4'33 a piece of music?
because i dont believe it is.

[JustinTimberlake]

I hate Hard Rock and Heavy Metal stuff. I really hate Sum 41 and other bands like that. They suck, only make noises, instead of music. But Linkin Park is different, that band's acceptable cuz at least they know what making music is. Basically, I hate all Heavy Metal stuff!!!  Kinds of music that I appreciate and love include Classical, Pop, and R n B stuff. Hip hop is also acceptable. But definately NOT HEAVY METAL!!! I don't understand why anyone would wanna listen to that kind of c**p music. I also dislike classical pieces that are TOO SLOW and BORING. Especially those composed during the Baroque period.

Ohh, speaking of Josh Groban's great voice, don't you think Lee Ryan from Blue could sing much better than him, and could hit notes that are too high for Josh Groban? Lee is the greatest male singer I've known. His voice's powerful and has an incredibly wide vocal range, and i am surprised nobody mentioned about him here.

[alkanite]

I'm with anda.  I don't hate Mozart's sonatas but I feel like I'm wasting my time when playing them.  They do absolutely nothing for me.  That being said, I love listening to his operas.  Go figure.

[Sketchee]

I'm with anda.  I don't hate Mozart's sonatas but I feel like I'm wasting my time when playing them.  They do absolutely nothing for me.  That being said, I love listening to his operas.  Go figure.

I agree with you hear.  I like Mozart on anything but piano!  His piano works as nice too and have the same harmonic and melody properties of his orchestral works and operas, but he takes on the piano is a very transparent manner.  That's not an entirely bad thing but not entirely my taste right now.

[comme_le_vent]

heavy metal is music - justin timberlake you appear to be a fool.
heavy metal is just as musical as anything but justin timberlake himself.

[gaspard]

Ravel is a composer who creates a love/hate relationship. His piano music is so very beautiful and interesting to hear but much of it requires such a strong technique to play that it forces most to labor and struggle to perform it. There are only a few of his compositions that will not apply.

[trunks]

There is no music I really hate - those I hate I won't consider music. I cast them aside as noise, such as rock'n-roll and similar discotheque noise, predominant dissonance, rubber erasers and bolts and nuts on piano strings (John Cage's "Prepared Piano"!), squealing, screaming . . . and the list goes on and on.

There are much music that I simply dislike (or feel indifferent towards, ie, zero or neutral  feeling) but not as negative as hate. Most - and I emphasise "most" - works of the supremely  prolific composers, such as most of the sonatas by Schubert (except the last one in Bb, D.960), Mozart and Haydn, most of Mozart's concertos (but I definitely love his Piano Concertos 20, 21, 23, 24 and the Sinfonia Concertante in Eb). In fact I am generally indifferent towards music from the Classical Period. I like the Baroque Period more.

Ravel wrote 2 wonderful concertos for the piano and I love them both, except one place in his G major Concerto (for both hands), and that is a middle section of the slow movement where the melody is accompanied by another melody in a lower register that is in a different key. Good grief, that little section sure sounds spooky, somewhat sick. It leaves the listener in discomfort.

There are pianists, however, that I consistently dislike. I simply do not want to get in tune with their styles because hardly, if ever, could I perceive music from them, albeit the technical prowess that they all doubtlessly possess. The list is topped by Vladimir Horowitz, followed closely by Alexis Weissenberg (I've heard his live recital in Hong Kong), Andrei Gavrilov, Alexei Sultanov (also live recital in Hong Kong), Ivo Pogorelich (again live recital in Hong Kong), Martha Argerich, John Ogdon, and Vladimir Ashkenazy is on the borderline . . . I know that many of a someone here is bound to disagree, but sorry this is just my opinion.


DIGRESSION:
Calm down, my friends. This is a forum, a place to express and share opinions. As a poster everyone is entitled to freely express his/her opinion here. As an audience it would be nice if  everyone respects other people's opinions, whether they are in tune with his/her own tastes. So I urge you all, please put an end to flamings.

[ravel]

i know what part of ravel s concerto u are talking about,
i know its spooky, but i just love it to the core.

[Phantasmagoria]

I hate Hard Rock and Heavy Metal stuff. I really hate Sum 41 and other bands like that. They suck, only make noises, instead of music. But Linkin Park is different, that band's acceptable cuz at least they know what making music is. Basically, I hate all Heavy Metal stuff!!!  Kinds of music that I appreciate and love include Classical, Pop, and R n B stuff. Hip hop is also acceptable. But definately NOT HEAVY METAL!!! I don't understand why anyone would wanna listen to that kind of c**p music. I also dislike classical pieces that are TOO SLOW and BORING. Especially those composed during the Baroque period.

not to divert the subject but I have a feeling I need to, you cant generalize all heavy metal/hard rock acts by sum 41 (which is a pop/punk band).  There are many acts that have plenty of musicial talent, though it is true that less and less of what you hear on the radio is the better of it.  I suggest you give Yngwie Malmsteen or Dream Theater a try, it is fast, exciting, and very intricate, not noise!

Anyway, as far as music I hate, the second Chopin prelude in Opus 28 just makes me sick listening to it... I dont understand how it has any musical value to it, its worse then a lot of that atonal stuff that came latter in my opinion.  Its odd, too, because I really like all the other preludes for the most part.  I can stand a bit of dissonance but that is just too much! and it is so simple too, so there really isnt much interesting going on...

[Spatula]

Almost anything by teenie bobbers and boy bands.

[donjuan]

I have an intense disdain for techno, Punk rock, Rap, Blue Grass, "bad" jazz (like, the brainless kind) and those crappy bands like Our Lady Peace where the lead singer has that funny accent just for the sake of having a funny accent. 
IMHO, music in general took a serious downfall 1970 onwards.  My favorite age of music is around 1830 - 1890.  1940 - 1960 was pretty sweet too, with the charm of the platters and other great groups with true musicianship, unlike the crap we have nowadays..  I know that sounds ignorant, but hey, you have to look at whats out there right now.  Now, every now and then I hear something new, or relatively new that sticks with me, like for some reason Maryln Manson's "Beautiful People" gets into my head and I cant get it out.. I dont quite know why becauseI really hate Marylin Manson!
donjuan

[Spatula]

It's quite ironic isn't it?

He sings a song "beautiful people" yet is lacking of it.  Unless he's singing (or what I think is screeching and yelling) of some other sort of beauty.  Then again, I think Bach is rolling in his grave shaking his head.


"woe to the future of music...woe"

I find (gasp) for some strange reason that I find listening to heavy metal the equivalent of bach in some ways (only the guitar solos without the screaming rock stars).  The way that the chords and intervals progress in a heavy metal piece is somewhat similar to bach in my mind.  Then again bach is much more listenable to.

IMHO....   

[donjuan]

It's quite ironic isn't it?

He sings a song "beautiful people" yet is lacking of it.  Unless he's singing (or what I think is screeching and yelling) of some other sort of beauty.  Then again, I think Bach is rolling in his grave shaking his head.


"woe to the future of music...woe"

I find (gasp) for some strange reason that I find listening to heavy metal the equivalent of bach in some ways (only the guitar solos without the screaming rock stars).  The way that the chords and intervals progress in a heavy metal piece is somewhat similar to bach in my mind.  Then again bach is much more listenable to.

IMHO....   

I dont quite know if Bach would agree with you about his music being like heavy metal.. you know how religious he was?

[Sketchee]

But Linkin Park is different, that band's acceptable cuz at least they know what making music is.

I've been following the thread but I thought I wouldn't have a response because I haven't seen any good nonsubjective reasons to hate anything.  You just had to remind me what music I hate: Linkin Park.  How many songs/albums can one band write about one single subject!

I tried to like them because there's some musical in but the lyrics are so irritating. Tp Linkin Park: we get it you don't fit in, people wrong you, and you like to write songs about lack of self responsibility.  By the end of listening to an LP album I don't know how many times I've rolled my eyes at a lyric and thought "Get over it".  I know it takes a lot of creativity to write lyrics say the same thing for however many albums but ugh

[brewtality]

Lars Johann Yngve Lannerback rules! 

[liszmaninopin]

The only music that I absolutely don't get is Boulez.

Apart from that, the only repertoire I can be said to really dislike is Mozart Sonatas.

[DarkWind]

I like everything (besides most pop music and the like) except for Xenakis' Herma. God, that piece is awful. I can stand Boulez Sonatas, or many modern composers, but there's something about Herma that makes it so incredibly annoying, pure, vile, noise

[luda888]

I hate Hard Rock and Heavy Metal stuff. I really hate Sum 41 and other bands like that. They suck, only make noises, instead of music. But Linkin Park is different, that band's acceptable cuz at least they know what making music is. Basically, I hate all Heavy Metal stuff!!!  Kinds of music that I appreciate and love include Classical, Pop, and R n B stuff. Hip hop is also acceptable. But definately NOT HEAVY METAL!!! I don't understand why anyone would wanna listen to that kind of c**p music. I also dislike classical pieces that are TOO SLOW and BORING. Especially those composed during the Baroque period.

Ohh, speaking of Josh Groban's great voice, don't you think Lee Ryan from Blue could sing much better than him, and could hit notes that are too high for Josh Groban? Lee is the greatest male singer I've known. His voice's powerful and has an incredibly wide vocal range, and i am surprised nobody mentioned about him here.

Why do u hate hard rock music? u dont like Nirvana? Nirvana RULES.

[liszmaninopin]

Do you have a recording of Herma that you could share?  I'd trade you something.  I have heard Evryali, and it was interesting.

[chozart]

i hate bach, mozart, wagner, and all these old boring guys before 1890, all their *noise* is the same. nothing unique. perhaps piano technique was still not very evolved at their epoch, but tahts no excuse! shame on them for always repeating the same patterns!

This has to be stupidest piano-related comment I've seen on this board. What do you actually like then ?

I see at least somebody else here is sane.. 
those are my favorite composers (well Bach and Mozart.. 1700s and 1800s are my fav time periods)

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It's not that I really hate it, but I'm not all too fond of Bartok and Prokofiev so far.. 
but I do to a degree have respect for them because anyone who could have written music so "unusual" (pardon the word, please..) with dissonance, and managed to pull off some meaning, must be quite talented indeed

but what I almost always really don't find pleasant is country music, lol.