great and undervalued piano solo repertoire #13

[michael_sayers]

Emile-Robert Blanchet's Au Jardin Du Vieux Serail, here played by Ervin Nyiregyhazi.

[outin]

Michael,

You really need to stop this! Please make one thread titled: Great and undervalued piano solo repertoire according to MS and then add your new posts on the subject to that one thread. What you are doing borders on spamming and it's only a matter of time before someone takes action...

[michael_sayers]

Michael,

You really need to stop this! Please make one thread titled: Great and undervalued piano solo repertoire according to MS and then add your new posts on the subject to that one thread. What you are doing borders on spamming and it's only a matter of time before someone takes action...

Hi outin,

I am sorry if I have upset you.  I did not mean to upset anyone here.

I've noticed that everyone here puts their thoughts in multiple threads.  I don't see anyone with just one thread here with all thoughts on repertoire and for life.  Who here does what you suggest?  And no one else seems like they want to start any new threads, anyhow, so why can't I do it?  This music deserves to mentioned, not ignored or suppressed, et c.


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. - This is similar to the issue in the Audition Room, where I was told to put all my recordings into one thread even though no one else does that, and even though it is against the Audition Room rules.  My feeling is that different subjects here are supposed to be in different threads.  In the Audition Room, as here, sometimes a whole day or days go by and no one even starts a new thread, so the forums are very inactive, anyhow.

[outin]

Hi outin,

I am sorry if I have upset you.  I did not mean to upset anyone here.

I've noticed that everyone here puts their thoughts in multiple threads.  I don't see anyone with just one thread here with all thoughts on repertoire and for life.  Who here does what you suggest?  And no one else seems like they want to start any new threads, anyhow, so why can't I do it?  This music deserves to mentioned, not ignored or suppressed, et c.

If you don't see the difference, then you have some issues with comprehension.

I agree that (some) of the music deserves the exposure, but do you think it will get it with threads like that? No, you are actually making a disservice to the composers by posting such multiple threads with uninformative subject lines and little substance in addition to a link. If there was even an explanation on WHY you think the music deserves more attention, then there would be some value to these individual threads.

[michael_sayers]

p.p.s. - It would be nonsensical to be discussing thirteen different performers and thirteen different composers in one thread?  I am wondering if you disagree on that.  To me, it sounds like a bit impossible of a proposal that it could be done and still have everyone know what they are talking about, and that one could have six, seven or more, different discussion all going simultaneously in one thread without a lot of confusion and annoyance.

[outin]

p.s. - This is similar to the issue in the Audition Room, where I was told to put all my recordings into one thread even though no one else does that, and even though it is against the Audition Room rules.  My feeling is that different subjects here are supposed to be in different threads.  In the Audition Room, as here, sometimes a whole day or days go by and no one even starts a new thread, so the forums are very inactive, anyhow.

It's ok to do what you did in audition room despite it getting on some people's nerves (who I'm sure just objected to the quality of the performances).

[outin]

p.p.s. - It would be nonsensical to be discussing thirteen different performers and thirteen different composers in one thread?  I am wondering if you disagree on that.  To me, it sounds like a bit impossible of a proposal that it could be done and still have everyone know what they are talking about, and that one could have six, seven or more, different discussion all going simultaneously in one thread without a lot of confusion and annoyance.

Then, as I already said, use proper subject lines and actually START the discussion if that's what you aim for.

[michael_sayers]

If you don't see the difference, then you have some issues with comprehension.

I agree that (some) of the music deserves the exposure, but do you think it will get it with threads like that? No, you are actually making a disservice to the composers by posting such multiple threads with uninformative subject lines and little substance in addition to a link. If there was even an explanation on WHY you think the music deserves more attention, then there would be some value to these individual threads.

Hi outin,

People here talk about Chopin repertoire, Bach repertoire, et c., and they aren't asked to defend the worth of the composer's music to be mentioned in these forums.  This is the suppressive thing I was talking about and which is reserved for music and composers that are not well known.  Maybe people can make up their own minds about such things as to which music they like or not?


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

It's ok to do what you did in audition room despite it getting on some people's nerves (who I'm sure just objected to the quality of the performances).

Hi outin,

That particular Audition Room rule is ridiculous, in my opinion.  Why can't I make up my own mind as to what needs to be in different threads or not?  Why should I have to put five Chopin Prelude recordings into five separate threads, even though all were from the same Opus 28 set?


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

Then, as I already said, use proper subject lines and actually START the discussion if that's what you aim for.

Hi Outin,

What is wrong with the subject lines that I used?  Maybe the other members here should be allowed to decide what they want to discuss or not, rather than me being pushy as you suggest and trying to start a particular discussion with them?

"You must like this music here, and if you don't, then tell me why!" . . . et c. . . . is uncalled for, people can make up their own minds about what they like or not.  It isn't for me to decide what others like or not, or what they want to discuss or not.


Mvh,
Michael

[outin]

Hi outin,

That particular Audition Room rule is ridiculous, in my opinion.  Why can't I make up my own mind as to what needs to be in different threads or not?  Why should I have to put five Chopin Prelude recordings into five separate threads, even though all were from the same Opus 28 set?

The rule was useful when the posts were indexed, I guess the idea was to be able to find recordings of certain pieces. But since that does not happen anymore, I don't think anyone cares which way you do it.

I'm not going to argue with you, either you change your ways or we'll see what happens...

[michael_sayers]

The rule was useful when the posts were indexed, I guess the idea was to be able to find recordings of certain pieces. But since that does not happen anymore, I don't think anyone cares which way you do it.

I'm not going to argue with you, either you change your ways or we'll see what happens...

Hi outin,

The rule in the Audition Room still is there.

What will happen if I keep using multiple threads there (and here) as other members do, instead of accepting being treated differently than the other members at these (quite inactive) forums?  No one has explained this to me, although it often is alluded to.

By the way, there isn't anything wrong with the music in these repertoire threads, or with my piano playing at the Audition Room other than some wrong notes and - specifically in the Brahms Op. 118 No. 2 recording, a rhythmic inaccuracy.


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. - There also is a significant rhythmic inaccuracy in the Bach Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ BWV 639 recording.

[michael_sayers]

Then, as I already said, use proper subject lines and actually START the discussion if that's what you aim for.

I have participated in some discussion of the repertoire already, as in the great and undervalued piano solo repertoire #1 thread.

Obviously, that thread was appreciated.

Maybe it is a bit early yet to know which of the other repertoire will be discussed here?

[michael_sayers]

What you are doing borders on spamming and it's only a matter of time before someone takes action . . .

Hi outin,

I've taken you advice into consideration as there are musicians who would suppress or mistreat other musicians here on the pretext of labeling particular contributions to these forums as spam, and try to force one into the illogicality of compressing multiple discussions on diverse repertoire, performers and recordings, into a single thread.

It is kind of like the new free speech zones in the U.S.A., where a 5 foot by 5 foot enclosure only is for free speech.

I know what spam is and what it is not - and the contributions I make to this forum are entirely within the rules that are given and do not constitute spam.


Mvh,
Michael

[Bob]

It is a bit spammy.  I thought the rep board was for discussion about pieces.  These posts look like links.  The composer and title would be helpful in the subject.  I'd go for the idea of grouping them all together under one post.  Or if they're just links to recordings, maybe one post for that or ask Nils for a new board possibly.  We don't have that.  There is the 'what are you listening to now' thread in Anything But here. 

The one thing that's missing -- What do you think about each of those?  If you're working on 13+ pieces, great, but... Isn't this just a collection of recording URLs?  You could get... another 18 posts for each Mozart sonata... another 27 for concerti... which could work if there was more than just URL in the post.

It looks like your own series though with the titles.  Maybe space out the posting.  There are enough that they're likely to just drop down and off the first page pretty quickly.

[michael_sayers]

It is a bit spammy.  I thought the rep board was for discussion about pieces.  These posts look like links.  The composer and title would be helpful in the subject.  I'd go for the idea of grouping them all together under one post.  Or if they're just links to recordings, maybe one post for that or ask Nils for a new board possibly.  We don't have that.  There is the 'what are you listening to now' thread in Anything But here.  

The one thing that's missing -- What do you think about each of those?  If you're working on 13+ pieces, great, but... Isn't this just a collection of recording URLs?  You could get... another 18 posts for each Mozart sonata... another 27 for concerti... which could work if there was more than just URL in the post.

It looks like your own series though with the titles.  Maybe space out the posting.  There are enough that they're likely to just drop down and off the first page pretty quickly.

Hi Bob,

Everyone knows about Mozart.  But not about John Carollo.  For 10 pieces by John Carollo, of course, I would put them all in one thread.

I don't think it makes since to have Blanchet, Jaell, Carollo, Townley, Tellefsen, Lyapunov, Thalberg, and all the others, all up for discussion simultaneously in one thread.

These forums are highly inactive compared to some other music forums on the internet where I am a member.  Maybe an active member is resented here?

About each of the repertoire items, I like them.  I could do a bar by bar harmonic and structural analysis highlighting what I like about them, yet I don't see other members here doing such things in their repertoire threads . . . most threads here don't even give the reasons why a composition is to be liked or appreciated.

The issue with the what are you listening to now thread is that I am looking for discussions of this repertoire and not all bunched up together in one thread.  And I tend to be a bit private about what recordings I am actively listening to.

I sincerely want to suggest new music to performers - if I like it, maybe someone else will, too.  And the #1 thread in the series was quite a success.

By the way, I know John Carollo personally.

I would not want a thread about his music to go on about another composer's music, instead.  He might wonder then why his music, in a thread everyone obviously read, was passed over.  But the way things are here, maybe no one happened to give much attention to his thread.

I also know Joe Townley.


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. for Bob - Of course the threads have links.  It is a bit hard to discuss repertoire that is off the beaten path without a recording or a score . . . or something.

[chechig]

My first impression yesterday, when I saw the first post was: Oh, how interesting!! I'm always looking for unknown composers. But then, whe I saw so many different post, I thought; Wouldnt it be better all in one? For me is by far more reasonable, if not post get lost in oblivion. In this way, I know where to go and dont' go mad trying to find a post in the forum. But of course, is up to you

[michael_sayers]

My first impression yesterday, when I saw the first post was: Oh, how interesting!! I'm always looking for unknown composers. But then, whe I saw so many different post, I thought; Wouldnt it be better all in one? For me is by far more reasonable, if not post get lost in oblivion. In this way, I know where to go and dont' go mad trying to find a post in the forum. But of course, is up to you

Maybe I should do some of both, i.e. have some things in separate threads where it is appropriate, and then group other things together?

There is one more thing I want to add . . . and a very amazing and little known composition it is . . . but the feeling I get overall is that I am being requested by members to ban myself from adding the #14 thread with its repertoire subject - I can respond to the threads of others, but I am not to contribute more of my own, is the impression I get.  This is very disappointing as I think many members would enjoy the music for #14.

I am not yet sure what to do, and I feel very uncertain about proceeding.

[outin]

There is one more thing I want to add . . . and a very amazing and little known composition it is . . . but the feeling I get overall is that I am being requested by members to ban myself from adding the #14 thread with its repertoire subject - I can respond to the threads of others, but I am not to contribute more of my own, is the impression I get.  This is very disappointing as I think many members would enjoy the music for #14.

*One* more makes little difference, so do post #14 if that's the last one you feel deserves attention. But if you have 100 more waiting to be posted (as I would surely do, if I was going to educate people on underplayed/-valued piano music), then please refer back to my posts above.

[michael_sayers]

*One* more makes little difference, so do post #14 if that's the last one you feel deserves attention. But if you have 100 more waiting to be posted (as I would surely do, if I was going to educate people on underplayed/-valued piano music), then please refer back to my posts above.

I think I'll wait a while, Outin, as I am already having issues finding the threads I am looking for! . . . LOL

[chechig]

For me there is a bit of misunderstanding here. I think that we all, are very happy with whoever that wants to contribute to the forum. Dont' refrain yourself from posting, but the thing is, that maybe you shoudnt' invade the forum with such an amount of similar post. Why dont we think of how to organice the subject in a more useful way? I think yours is a very good idea. It will be helpful to a lot o people. Now, I just see a lot of equal threads with no much infortmation, and imagine I want to search Stanchinsky, what should I do? Look one by one trying to fin it?

[michael_sayers]

For me there is a bit of misunderstanding here. I think that we all, are very happy with whoever that wants to contribute to the forum. Dont' refrain yourself from posting, but the thing is, that maybe you shoudnt' invade the forum with such an amount of similar post. Why dont we think of how to organice the subject in a more useful way? I think yours is a very good idea. It will be helpful to a lot o people. Now, I just see a lot of equal threads with no much infortmation, and imagine I want to search Stanchinsky, what should I do? Look one by one trying to fin it?

That is what I am having to do, look thread by thread for things.  Maybe I should repost everything as new threads, but with the thread titles specifying the composer, the composition and the pianist?

[rzewskiing]

i think writing the composer and work, along with under-appreciated works as a title would be the best to set them apart

[michael_sayers]

i think writing the composer and work, along with under-appreciated works as a title would be the best to set them apart

Thanks rzewskiing.  The issue has been resolved and, indeed, much of this music is greatly under-valued!


Mvh,
Michael