The Sayers Club

[michael_sayers]

Hi Everyone,

Maybe I am quite popular, and this somehow has escaped my notice.  There is even a club which, perhaps, is named after me!  Just get a load of this . . .



and also this . . .



Are all those people my admirers?


Mvh,
Michael

[compline]

Where is it though?   

[hardy_practice]

Here: https://livedesignonline.com/venues/inside-sayers-club-sls-las-vegas#slide-0-field_images-109111

It's a mark of someone who compulsively googles himself.

[stoat_king]

It's a mark of someone who compulsively googles himself.

I wonder if, somewhere deep in the internet, there might be a record of other people mistaking michael_sayers 'ratiocinating' for trolling?

I dont think anyone would be mean-spirited enough to think that.
Or to look on google for such a thing.

[michael_sayers]

Here: https://livedesignonline.com/venues/inside-sayers-club-sls-las-vegas#slide-0-field_images-109111

It's a mark of someone who compulsively googles himself.

Hi hardy_practice,

Doesn't everyone do that nowadays?  Not compulsively, mind you, but to get their messages?

For instance, today I found this - and it has a message addressed to me from 2013 and which I did not receive:

https://www.maplegroveproductions.com/piano/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=970


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. - Maybe I should see if The Sayers Club needs a guest classical performer.  I see that they have a grand piano - what I see in that photo isn't a N.Y. Steinway D, but maybe they have a D in reserve for special occasions.

[hardy_practice]

https://www.maplegroveproductions.com/piano/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=970

OMG!!  You're not a refugee from Alan's crappy site?

[michael_sayers]

OMG!!  You're not a refugee from Alan's crappy site?

Hi hardy_practice,

I've never been a member of maplegroveproductions . . . I don't even know what it is about or who owns the content.

Are you thinking of the same Allan as with Arbiter Records but maybe left off the additional "l"?


Mvh,
Michael

[hardy_practice]

Do I sense a trend here?

[michael_sayers]

Do I sense a trend here?

Hi hardy_practice,

I am an active member.  It isn't my fault that this is (in my experience) one of the least active music forums on the internet.  With the other two where I am a member - Piano World, and Composers' Forum - I can hardly keep up.  With the latter I don't even try to respond to the flood of inbox emails about new (and often quite long and complicated) posts with the discussions.

By the way, you have made almost twice as many posts to Piano Street as I have, just in case you are not aware . . .


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. for hardy_practice - If you want to start a thread, why don't you do it?  And if you don't want to start any threads, then don't complain about the other members here who do want to start threads.

[hardy_practice]

By the way, you have made almost twice as many posts to Piano Street as I have, just in case you are not aware . . .

But not all at once!

[compline]

Mr. Sayers, do you teach piano? is it your day off today?  Do you find life a bit dull?

[michael_sayers]

But not all at once!

Hi hardy_practice,

What limit do you suggest for Piano Street members?  Only one new thread to the website per day, and maybe two or three reply posts maximum?


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

Mr. Sayers, do you teach piano? is it your day off today?  Do you find life a bit dull?

Hi compline,

I mean no disrespect, yet I should say that those things aren't any of your business.

Is this how you all treat active members of music websites?


Mvh,
Michael

[hardy_practice]

Is this how you all treat active members of music websites?

There's active, and then there's spam.

[compline]

Hi compline,

I mean no disrespect, yet I should say that those things aren't any of your business.

Is this how you all treat active members of music websites?


Mvh,
Michael

I meant no disrespect I am interested in board members whether they teach piano, I don't thing that is too personal  a question . Perhaps most professional pianists are too busy to teach, I don't know.  

If you want interaction with members , well I am interacting.

    

[themeandvariation]

@Compline  …  with the employment of 'ratiocination' , one could easily deduce your questions to Michael as relevant …..  perhaps this 'revealing' he speaks of in his thread 'it's coming' - is his planned takeover of this site, to be renamed "The Michael Sayers Club"….
Cheers!

[michael_sayers]

There's active, and then there's spam.

Hi hardy_practice,

Evidently you aren't a member of an active website . . .

AND

This is the Anything but Piano forum.  There does seem to be some humour with the threads here regardless of who starts them.  Maybe you have not noticed this fact?

Why isn't the "Last Post Wins!!!" thread, or whatever it is called - why isn't that spam?

What is your reasoning here?

And are you ever going to say what activity limits you suggest for Piano Street members?  It is a good thing that Piano World and the Composer's Forum don't hold them back in that way.

Why don't you go over to those websites and do a survey to see how many members there think I am a troll, as this - presumably - is your accusation against me here but you are afraid to use the t-word?


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

I meant no disrespect I am interested in board members whether they teach piano, I don't thing that is too personal  a question . Perhaps most professional pianists are too busy to teach, I don't know.  

If you want interaction with members , well I am interacting.

Hi compline,

Please accept my apology.  I thought - given the context of your post here - that maybe you were being hostile and aggressive.  I am very sorry about that!

Yes, I do teach, but not actively at present.  I haven't really said much about how my day divides up, or anything about my personal life, and while normally I would be happy to do this up to a point, I just don't want to do it in this hostile environment where everything revolves around personal attacks, possible slandering of a person's character, et c.

Sorry.  


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

@Compline  …  with the employment of 'ratiocination' , one could easily deduce your questions to Michael as relevant …..  perhaps this 'revealing' he speaks of in his thread 'it's coming' - is his planned takeover of this site, to be renamed "The Michael Sayers Club"….
Cheers!

Hi themeandvariation,

Shhhh . . . don't let anyone know I might be about to purchase Piano Street from a particular and fellow Stockholm resident . . . 


Mvh,
Michael

[hardy_practice]

Why isn't the "Last Post Wins!!!" thread, or whatever it is called - why isn't that spam?

What is your reasoning here?

Because it's not

[compline]

No need for apology,  If you have been experiencing animosity with members, then I can understand. I just don't know this site too well.
I have notice that I have been limited to just the non piano threads and I am unable to see the main Piano Board page with the rest of the threads, whether that is an admin thing I don't know, but I would appreciate being informed of this change.  However, if these things are going to happen then I am best out of here!   However, I wish you well Michael.

[themeandvariation]

here is a sampling of responses to Michael on PW…  a link which he himself posted in his thread 'it's coming'   ..(Though regrettably, that thread has been locked, thus cutting off additional comments
https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2417039/2.html
Cheers!

[michael_sayers]

No need for apology,  If you have been experiencing animosity with members, then I can understand. I just don't know this site too well.
I have notice that I have been limited to just two threads and I am unable to see the main page with the rest of the threads, whether that is an admin thing I don't know, but I would appreciate being informed of this change.  However, if these things are going to happen then I am best out of here!   However, I wish you well Michael.

Hi compline,

Why are you limited to only two threads per day?  Surely this is a glitch in the system.  I would ask an administrator about it.


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

Because it's not

Hi hardy_practice,

Exactly - and if I was posting the same subject over and over here, such as several threads on The Sayers Club, I would be more receptive to where you are coming from.

As the threads I post are different from each other, and people can post to them (or not), or choose to read them (or not), I just don't see what the issue is with who it is that does the posting.

Ten different threads by one member are not okay, but ten different threads by ten different members are okay?

Why do you make everything so personal?  I don't care who posts a thread, I just care what the thread is about.

I don't even know who most of the members here really are.


Mvh,
Michael

[compline]

No, no, I meant I could only see the  Non Piano Board, when I checked in.
It happened on a few occasions, but now I am getting the  the Piano Board now  as well, so the glitch may have been with me.  no worries.  Thanks for your concern anyway.

[michael_sayers]

here is a sampling of responses to Michael on PW…  a link which he himself posted in his thread 'it's coming'   ..(Though regrettably, that thread has been locked, thus cutting off additional comments
https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2417039/2.html
Cheers!

Hi themeandvariation,

I know, I know . . . and that is my only locked thread in years of membership at Piano World.  Fact is, that thread didn't go down too well, and I admit it.  So what?  One bad apple doesn't spoil the cart.


Mvh,
Michael

[stoat_king]

here is a sampling of responses to Michael on PW…  a link which he himself posted in his thread 'it's coming'   ..(Though regrettably, that thread has been locked, thus cutting off additional comments

More amusing examples can be found here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.makers.piano/QhXgOnOOes0

[michael_sayers]

No, no, I meant I could only see the  Non Piano Board, when I checked in.
It happened on a few occasions, but now I am getting the  the Piano Board now  as well, so the glitch may have been with me.  no worries.  Thanks for your concern anyway.

Hi compline,

I am glad that was all it was and that it worked out for you!


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

More amusing examples can be found here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.makers.piano/QhXgOnOOes0

Hi stoat_king,

That was 12 years ago, by the way . . . and I do grimace when I read those now.  But I haven't done anything inappropriate at Piano Street, have I?


Mvh,
Michael

[hardy_practice]

More amusing examples can be found here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.makers.piano/QhXgOnOOes0

Talk about leopards and spots!   

[stoat_king]

But I haven't done anything inappropriate at Piano Street, have I?

I hope that's a rhetorical question lol.
That was one of the funny ones.
I imagine the less amusing sockpuppets will be with us before long.

[michael_sayers]

Talk about leopards and spots!   

Hi hardy_practice,

Do you ever answer questions when they are part of a discussion?

I am just wondering because you accused me of trolling THIS website [Piano Street], and I asked a few questions to get your thoughts on some things related to that accusation, and you seem to have passed over them.


Mvh,
Michael

[hardy_practice]

I am just wondering because you accused me of trolling THIS website [Piano Street], and I asked a few questions to get your thoughts on some things related to that accusation, and you seem to have passed over them.

Who, moi?

[michael_sayers]

I hope that's a rhetorical question lol.
That was one of the funny ones. Its only matter of time before 'Larry P.' turns up.

Hi stoat_king,

It wasn't a rhetorical question at all.

I am being attacked for being an active member HERE [which is Piano Street, the website where we are posting right now and which is being discussed, yes?], and I have done nothing wrong.

If you all want to talk about something that happened 12 years ago and somewhere else, you all can have it.

It doesn't seem to address the questions I've raised about why I am being attacked for contributing recordings, repertoire suggestions, and even humour in the Anything but Piano forum, and at Piano Street.

Is this always the way you all treat recent and quite active members?

I am just curious, because there don't seem to be any active members here but me, and maybe this thread here that we are posting in is a great example of the reason why they are not here . . .


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

Who, moi?

Hi hardy_practice,

I can see that you don't really want to discuss my activity at Piano Street - and that's fine, that decision is up to you.  You can't say, though, that I didn't try to have a conversation about it.


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. - I bet that if I do a little digging I can find where you all attack other contributors in this way.  I do remember someone who posted a recording to the Audition Room sometime around my first contribution there, and you all telling her (or him) to "please stop", and all the rubbish that was being thrown in that member's face.  I think that would be a good place for me to begin my search.

[themeandvariation]

@ Stoat_King
I suspect the rabbit hole goes deep… variations on a theme….  (one of the commenters remembers him from 1993…  )
All the best to you Michael….  We All have to some degree a muddied past…. Bringing the spotlight to oneself to Such a degree here, can expose a double edged sword…
but I must add, that it seems you turn a deaf ear to those asking you to take it down a notch ….
Peace to you.

[michael_sayers]

p.p.s. - Here is a link to my very first post at Piano Street.  The first response is not what some would characterize as welcoming, and some might even think the first response were quite negative if not also hostile.  Talk like that would never fly at Piano World.  It must just be how you all are.  It is no wonder that I am the only active member at this website.

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=57445.0

[michael_sayers]

@ Stoat_King
I suspect the rabbit hole goes deep… variations on a theme….  (one of the commenters remembers him from 1993…  )
All the best to you Michael….  We All have to some degree a muddied past…. Bringing the spotlight to oneself to Such a degree here, can expose a double edged sword…
but I must add, that it seems you turn a deaf ear to those asking you to take it down a notch ….
Peace to you.

Hi themeandvariatons,

That would be 24 years ago . . . LOL . . . people can talk about my life back even in the 1980s, if the subject is important to them.

What I am concerned with here is the pattern of attacking Piano Street members - and I am going to dig around on this - and including not only hostility and aggression against me and with specifically also, perhaps, the negative attitude in response to even my very first post to this website.

It is no wonder that there are no active members here, and that they are at Piano World and other places.

Just look at the members list of Piano World, and the number of members with 20000+ posts, and also the number with 10000+ posts, and also 5000+ posts.

As things are, I do want to communicate with pianists at more than one website, and about interesting repertoire they may never have heard of, and also in regard to their recordings and their work.

I won't be deterred by the highly attacking, negative and aggressive attitude that prevails at Piano Street into just going away and shutting up.


Mvh,
Michael

[michael_sayers]

p.s. - Reading past j_menz's response here, I do see that ronde_des_sylphes was friendly and welcoming towards a new member.  I wish there were more persons like him at this website.

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=57445.0

[michael_sayers]

p.p.s. - The "message" from j_menz was that members are just supposed to post a recording, and no background information at all because they will be attacked for doing so [as most spectacularly was done with the J.S. Bach Prelude in E-flat Major BWV 852 thread].  My interpretation is that members are just supposed to post a recording, not say anything about the recording, and then are to be quiet, go away and shut up.  I am not going to comply with that.  I have posted many recordings, and I will continue to post recordings.  Get used to it.  Don't try to drive active members away from this website, and do not try to make new members regret even their very first posts here.

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=57445.0

[michael_sayers]

p.p.p.s.  - And look it this.  This is the same Bach Prelude in E-flat Major BWV 852 recording that was posted here.  But this is the Piano World thread on it.  And it doesn't go through hundreds of replies and thousands of page views in the course of which the original poster is hounded, attacked and badgered.  Guess how many posts are in the Piano World thread?  It has four posts - the original post, and three replies.  Sometimes I do think about never signing in to Piano Street again.  I really do think this, sometimes.  Life is short.  Very short.  It would be better to compose music and practice the piano, or wander the forests of Stockholm, and take in all the sights and sounds of that beautiful city, than to spend that time coping with the negativity and anger that goes on around here.  I think I might just say goodbye to Piano Street.  There are some lovely people here, and also some fine pianists, and also eager learners who are really interested in music and in making a meaningful contribution both here and out in the world.  And yet, they still will be lovely persons and do all of that whether I am here or not - so if it is hard to think of a positive reason for me to be here (and in the course of the past four months it has been difficult to think of a positive reason for me to be here), then maybe I really should just move on.  I think maybe I shall do that.  We'll see.  But do not be surprised if I never sign in again after this post.  Right now, it really could go either way.  Right now I am thinking about the beauty and tranquility of Stockholm, and not the anger, rage and hostility of Piano Street.

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/topic/164432/gonew/1.html

[hardy_practice]