Ignacy Feliks Dobrzyński Piano Concerto Op.2

[alistaircrane4]

Has anyone played it? I'm trying to find some sheets for it but they are just nowhere to be found online.

I have heard hundreds of piano concerti yet this one has what I consider to be the most amazing and glorious piano entrance in a concerto.

What are everyones thoughts on this concerto as well as the composer who was a Polish contemporary of Chopin?

[michael_sayers]

Hi Alistaircrane4,

Thanks for sharing it!


Mvh,
Michael

[visitor]

It's nice however the entrance for piano ( actually the whole intro ) is a little lack luster to me. Still a nice little concerto I have a hole section of my drive dedicated to music from that region.  I will see if I have it and i I do if I am allowed to post or hare depending on me source

I rather like a faster entrance to the piano, vs a longer orchestral set up.
Ie a la

[michael_sayers]

I would say that among under-performed piano concertos, Anton Rubinstein's Piano Concerto No. 4 offer one of the grandest of entrances for the soloist:

And Rubinstein's Concerto No. 3 isn't shabby in that regard.

Mvh,
Michael

[j_menz]

I rather like a faster entrance to the piano, vs a longer orchestral set up.

Spoken like a..... pianist. 

[visitor]

Spoken like a..... pianist. 

*i like to think i am getting there, but for now i will 'fake it till i make it!" (*i struggle to call my shenanigans at the keyboard actual pianism )

[michael_sayers]

It's nice however the entrance for piano ( actually the whole intro ) is a little lack luster to me. Still a nice little concerto I have a hole section of my drive dedicated to music from that region.  I will see if I have it and i I do if I am allowed to post or hare depending on me source

I rather like a faster entrance to the piano, vs a longer orchestral set up.
Ie a la

Hi Visitor,

Thanks for sharing that!


Mvh,
Michael

[thalbergmad]

I have actually played the Dobrzynski, albeit played through might be a better description as i did not commit it to memory. Pleasant enough, but not untyical of it's age as it is comparable to the Burgmuller & Thalberg PC's.

The CPS purchased the score from an Italian publisher called Pro Camera a couple of years ago and if memory serves the company has ceased to trade, so anyone who wants it will need to get a library copy.

Thal

[remy]

I have a copy of the full score.

Having to turn the pages every 3 or 4 measures makes it quite awkward at the piano.

I suppose if one were willing to do a bunch of cutting and pasting...


remy

[promusician]

I have a copy of the full score.

Having to turn the pages every 3 or 4 measures makes it quite awkward at the piano.

I suppose if one were willing to do a bunch of cutting and pasting...


remy

I supposed yours is edited by kazimierz rozbicki? published by PWM. the handwriting is quite illegible

[remy]

My copy is a pdf without any publisher, editor, or plate numbers. I don't think it's PWM, as the first page says, "Concerto per pianoforte ed orchestra", so probably not Polish.

The score itself is clear, sharp, and easily readable; 179 pages.


remy

[alistaircrane4]

My copy is a pdf without any publisher, editor, or plate numbers. I don't think it's PWM, as the first page says, "Concerto per pianoforte ed orchestra", so probably not Polish.

The score itself is clear, sharp, and easily readable; 179 pages.


remy

I'd love to view the copy you have. Could you send it online?

[thalbergmad]

If it is the pdf that i spent hours producing, i rather hope it is not shared.

Thal

[michael_sayers]

If it is the pdf that i spent hours producing, i rather hope it is not shared.

Thal

Hi Thal,

Why wouldn't you want it to be shared?


MVh,
Michael

[visitor]

Why wouldn't you want it to be shared?

Michael

here's one reason
https://www.pianorarescores.com/

[michael_sayers]

here's one reason
https://www.pianorarescores.com/

Is that Thal's website, or does he have the score licensed out to them?

[thanks for that link!]


Mvh,
Michael

[visitor]

Is that Thal's website, or does he have the score licensed out to them?

[thanks for that link!]


Mvh,
Michael

no.
no.

do not support this site. they are thieving scum bags. 

i indicated as a reason for why we archivers/scanners are more protective of our efforts lately, to prevent garbage like that site from stealing and selling them.

[michael_sayers]

no.
no.

do not support this site. they are thieving scum bags. 

i indicated as a reason for why we archivers/scanners are more protective of our efforts lately, to prevent garbage like that site from stealing and selling them.

The best way to prepare for that possibility is to deposit one's pdf file(s) with the U.S. copyright office.


Mvh,
Michael

[visitor]

FROM USING THE SELDOM TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF 'SEARCH FUNCTION'
AND I QUOTE

Let me make a few points about this site so that hopefully people will avoid it.

1. It is run by a nasty piece of work called Marcel Mombeek ( i am reasonably certain of this) who is notorious in the sheet music world for trawling sites like pianophilia and gamingforce and downloading sheets for nothing. This vile dweeb then tries to sell other peoples work for absurd prices. He has even tried to sell digital scores made available by the University of Rochester.

2. I have never got any scores from him, but he has in the past tried to sell scores that i have scanned. Why would i use him when my own library extends to 179,000 scores.

3. I absolutely assure you that he has nothing that cannot be obtained via other sources for FREE.

4. He has even tried selling Sorabji scores and if memory serves, AH had trouble in getting him to stop.

5. There is no need to use him or other E Bay tossers trying to sell digital scores.

DO NOT USE IT, EVERYTHING CAN BE OBTAINED FOR FREE.

End of sermon.

Thal

[michael_sayers]

I don't know much about Marcel Mombeek, but if he is good at selling scores then why not collaborate with him?  If A.H. could sell more scores with him as a distributor, wouldn't that be a good thing?


Mvh,
Michael

[visitor]

I don't know much about Marcel Mombeek, but if he is good at selling scores then why not collaborate with him?  If A.H. could sell more scores with him as a distributor, wouldn't that be a good thing?


Mvh,
Michael

no. he is a stupid pooh head.

[michael_sayers]

Hi Visitor,

I am not going to judge someone when I don't know all the facts - and passing judgement on others isn't for me to do, anyhow.  I am sure he has his own side of things to tell.

If he is good at selling scores, then maybe it would make sense to set aside personal issues and work with him?


Mvh,
Michael

[ronde_des_sylphes]

I don't know much about Marcel Mombeek, but if he is good at selling scores then why not collaborate with him?  If A.H. could sell more scores with him as a distributor, wouldn't that be a good thing?

(Assuming MM is behind pianorarescores and similar sites.)

I can't speak for Alistair, but my impression was that many years ago he had to take legal action to stop MM selling Sorabji scores. I've never seen anything other than negative impressions of his behaviour, and if someone is basically downloading bulk torrents of scores and videos, also acquiring the entire contents of collector websites, then selling them on for profit (plus many scores freely available through IMSLP, etc) I can't say it inspires confidence that he's going to be a model of business probity if one were to enter into a relationship of that type with him. 

[michael_sayers]

(Assuming MM is behind pianorarescores and similar sites.)

I can't speak for Alistair, but my impression was that many years ago he had to take legal action to stop MM selling Sorabji scores. I've never seen anything other than negative impressions of his behaviour, and if someone is basically downloading bulk torrents of scores and videos, also acquiring the entire contents of collector websites, then selling them on for profit (plus many scores freely available through IMSLP, etc) I can't say it inspires confidence that he's going to be a model of business probity if one were to enter into a relationship of that type with him.  

Hi Ronde_des_sylphes,

We really don't know very much about Marcel Mombeek and his history, his side of the story (or stories), his motivations, et c.  It would be good to know more and to get his observations on all of this.

As far as I.M.S.L.P. goes, it is an archive of public domain music content and editions.  People can do whatever they want with the material [within reason, of course! - if you "paper" your neighbor's house with Thalberg etudes, the police might have something to say about it! ].  If Marcel Mombeek has broken the law regarding some content, that is between him and the content owner (or owners).

And if such law breaking did happen, and if it was years ago, then how relevant and important would it be now in 2015?

If every person who has ever broken any law were to be barred from business relationships and employment, the unemployment rate would be almost 100%!


Mvh,
Michael

[thalbergmad]

Hi Thal,

Why wouldn't you want it to be shared?


MVh,
Michael

Because i like to know the people that benefit from my work.

After 15 years,  £15,000, thousands of hours and about 700 concertos scanned, i don't think that is too much to ask.

Regretfully, some works that i have shared in the past, were shared again, so now i am effectively closed.

Thal

[ronde_des_sylphes]

(Again, assuming pianorarescores is the doing of MM).

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not impressed by the sort of person who will sell freely available public domain scores to the unsuspecting. Perhaps he's doing it for a greater good, like alleviating world hunger, but somehow I rather doubt it.

And there's plenty non-PD stuff there too.. Horowitz, Cziffra, Pletnev..

I wonder if the Horowitz estate knows. Curious really, seeing as the offerings on pianorarescores look very very similar to the scans on the secret Horowitz site, which I believe the estate took umbrage at. Someone better informed will likely be able to comment further.

[visitor]

his whole model and MO are scummy.

scummy


scummy

[michael_sayers]

(Again, assuming pianorarescores is the doing of MM).

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not impressed by the sort of person who will sell freely available public domain scores to the unsuspecting. Perhaps he's doing it for a greater good, like alleviating world hunger, but somehow I rather doubt it.

And there's plenty non-PD stuff there too.. Horowitz, Cziffra, Pletnev..

I wonder if the Horowitz estate knows. Curious really, seeing as the offerings on pianorarescores look very very similar to the scans on the secret Horowitz site, which I believe the estate took umbrage at. Someone better informed will likely be able to comment further.

Hi Ronde_des_sylphes,

We don't really know who "Marcel Mombeek" is, and I would certainly like to know quite a lot before reaching any conclusions.  If I were to do something tomorrow and attribute it to "Marcel Mombeek", depending on what I were to do, people might unquestioningly accept the attribution.  Before getting worked up about M.M., there is something to be said for the traditional "who, what, when, where and why" in order to have a complete story, and for having the patience to check up on each of these and in each instance to be sure one has the facts.


Mvh,
Michael

[promusician]

some references for MM:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.classical.recordings/AgIMrp__kAk

[michael_sayers]

some references for MM:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.classical.recordings/AgIMrp__kAk

Hi Promusician,

I found that 2005 link, too.

It says that M.M. is "up to his old tricks again", which consisted of not following through on his end of several exchanges.  One could suggest that at one time before 2005 there was a Marcel Mombeek who did such things, with the possibility that he died in 2003.  Next, a friend with similar pianophile passions picks up the torch in 2005 and uses M.M.'s name to acquire items which he personally wants - and later, within a small circle of persons, word spreads, and many other persons do much else which they can predict will be attributed to M.M.

While certainly many of the things attributed to M.M. are not very considerate of other persons, we just don't know much about who "Marcel Mombeek" really is, or if a "Marcel Mombeek" is behind the Rare Piano Scores website.  It is concerning that someone would charge a fee to purchase copies of freely available pdf files, and yet I have items - and in original printings - which are at I.M.S.L.P., and of which I could produce far higher quality and more readable scans . . . maybe "M.M." has done this with items he owns, and he doesn't want to give away the high quality scans of his personal score collection for free?  Maybe he checked the scans out of a library here in Europe and did his own scanning work?  Has anyone even compared a Rare Piano Scores pdf with what is at I.M.S.L.P. to see if it is an I.M.S.L.P. scan?  And what if someone were to buy a R.P.S. scan and then upload it to I.M.S.L.P.?

It is always good, in my opinion, to know all the facts about something and to check every angle.


Mvh,
Michael

[promusician]

I have no idea who the real culprit is behind this pianorarescores website and has no intention to find out, but I am most certain, in my case, he is selling scans that I posted in pianophilia forum years ago. Search Julian Fontana in his website, those highlighted scores. The original scanner and owner of the scores is Bill Rodriguez, admin of the Fontana website. I have now drastically cut off my contribution in posting scores mostly due to these notorious acts of profiting from other's people effort.

[michael_sayers]

I have no idea who the real culprit is behind this pianorarescores website and has no intention to find out, but I am most certain, in my case, he is selling scans that I posted in pianophilia forum years ago. Search Julian Fontana in his website, those highlighted scores. The original scanner and owner of the scores is Bill Rodriguez, admin of the Fontana website. I have now drastically cut off my contribution in posting scores mostly due to these notorious acts of profiting from other's people effort.

Hi Promusician,

One thing I know is that if I were to find out that the pdf files of my music, which are available as downloads at no fee, were being offered somewhere online and with a fee, I would not be happy about it.

I'm not going to stop composing, though, just because someone could do that.


Mvh,
Michael

[guillaum]

Dear sir,
I am looking for Dobrzynski concerto for piano, and i found your contact during my research, i am in Paris and Leduc, representation of Pwm just answered me that we can only rent the score from poland. I didn t find neither the pro camera edizioni :-( do you know where we could by theseconcerti, or at least the opus 2 which seems the eithier to find?
I am in Paris france,
Hope to read your answer,
Best reguards,
G martins