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Offline blackonwhite

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Is this a good practice routine.
on: June 10, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
Four hours of practice on weekdays and five on the weekends
Weekdays
Hour one: chromatic fifth and thirds scales both hands 20 times, scales in all the keys signatures playing each once scale legato and once playing staccato, Dohnányi exercises 1-5.
Hour two: trills with all fingers(including 4th and 5th fingers), octaves scales, staccato and legato scales, dynamics practice.
Hour three: practicing full pedaling, half pedaling, and quarter pedaling, arpeggios, chords, Dohnányi exercises 1-5 again.
Hour four: repertoire and on week ends an extra hour of repertoire.

also I take 30 minute breaks every two hours is this a good practice routine.
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Offline michael_sayers

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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 05:28:51 AM
I like you zeal for routine and structure!

I don't see scales in double thirds and double sixths listed.  Single note scales (including the chromatic scales) eventually need to be done with the hands starting at intervals apart other than an octave.  And the chromatic scales need to be done with various fingerings (including only 3, 4 and 5).


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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 05:31:02 AM
You may find it worthwhile to have a look at this:

https://imslp.org/wiki/Technische_Studien,_S.146_%28Liszt,_Franz%29


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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 07:48:16 AM
Too much time on mechanics; not enough time on music.

The bulk of your practice time should be on repertoire. Not just learning the notes or playing stuff through, but working on technical/musical details: phrasing, articulation, the shaping of a melodic line, the dynamic balance between the hands, the dynamic balance within one hand, controlling a crescendo, controlling a diminuendo, playing ppp, rhythmic precision, rubato...

And don't forget sight-reading.

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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 09:47:57 AM
Too much time on mechanics; not enough time on music.

The bulk of your practice time should be on repertoire. Not just learning the notes or playing stuff through, but working on technical/musical details: phrasing, articulation, the shaping of a melodic line, the dynamic balance between the hands, the dynamic balance within one hand, controlling a crescendo, controlling a diminuendo, playing ppp, rhythmic precision, rubato...

Technical exercises are supposed to be practiced like that, just as though they are "music" [a difficult to adequately define term without including the technical exercises].


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Offline j_menz

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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 12:29:09 PM
Technical exercises are supposed to be practiced like that, just as though they are "music"

Which is a bit like reading the phone book as if it were Shakespeare.
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Offline anima55

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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 06:47:55 PM
I think your time would be better spent on more repertoire, particularly as many technical skills can be gained from that repertoire. 

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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #7 on: June 13, 2015, 06:32:46 AM
When I said I practice fifths and thirds I meant double note thirds and fifths and I do practices chromatic scales with my 3 4 5 fingers and I will very much take all of your advice on the repertiore
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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #8 on: June 13, 2015, 09:08:09 AM
When I said I practice fifths and thirds I meant double note thirds and fifths and I do practices chromatic scales with my 3 4 5 fingers and I will very much take all of your advice on the repertiore

I was referring to double sixths, not double fifths.

Something you can look at for repertoire + technique are the Chopin Etudes and the Godowsky variants of these, and also the Brahms Paganini Variations.

Anton Rubinstein's Theme and Variations Op. 88 is quite effective, too, both as music and for technique, in my opinion.

https://imslp.org/wiki/Theme_and_Variations,_Op.88_%28Rubinstein,_Anton%29


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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #9 on: June 13, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
And how about those Brahm's exercises? Are they good? I haven't seen/played them.

Blackonwhite - I do not know how long you will be able to go on with this practice routine until you are so bored that you do not like it anymore. Why have you decided to do it so intensely right now?
Bear in mind that it is always better to do something regularly every day for a long period of time. But if you think you can keep up with this routine than it is up to you.
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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #10 on: June 14, 2015, 06:44:19 AM
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Blackonwhite - I do not know how long you will be able to go on with this practice routine until you are so bored that you do not like it anymore. Why have you decided to do it so intensely right now?
Bear in mind that it is always better to do something regularly every day for a long period of time. But if you think you can keep up with this routine than it is up to you.
I have been on this routine for about 3 months if I don't practice at least 4 hours then my rule is I don't go to bed until I get this practice I don't get bored with this routine because well I love music its such a interesting thing I practice this much because I want to become a concert pianist but I kinda started late for many of the famous pianist that I have seen
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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #11 on: June 14, 2015, 10:26:43 AM
Which is a bit like reading the phone book as if it were Shakespeare.

I always enjoy your apt, and true ripostes, j_menz. I would have gone into the giggle factory years ago had I ever practised like the OP. Then again, it might be why I could never be a concert player or a professional, why I am a happy musical pig and not a miserable musical Socrates.
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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #12 on: June 14, 2015, 11:35:35 AM
Technical standards are an absolute principle for me, but OP's routine would never work for me. But the determination is admirable, it's necessary for the discipline.

I do no technical work, but i'm strict with my repertoire. I practice any chance i get, and given that my repertoire this year includes all of the scherzi and ballades, it's nothing but constant enlightenment.

What repertoire do you do currently, and why don't you work more on it, OP?
Beethoven-Alkan, concerto 3
Faure barcarolle 10
Mozart-Stradal, symphony 40

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Re: Is this a good practice routine.
Reply #13 on: June 14, 2015, 12:10:14 PM
my repertoire this year includes all of the scherzi and ballades,

This Chopin = Voldemort thing is really getting out of hand.  ::)

Or do you mean everyone's?
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