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Offline pianoville

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Piano concerto ranking
on: June 13, 2015, 08:46:12 PM
So, I am right now playing Haydn's D major and would like to play another concerto after I have finished it. But I'm not very sure about the difficulties so the concertos I am thinking of is:
         
                  Shostakovich no. 2

                   Grieg A Minor
                 
                   Tchaikovsky 1
 
                   Beethoven 1

                    Rach 1

Can you please tell me who is hardest and vice versa?
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Offline louispodesta

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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #1 on: June 13, 2015, 10:24:11 PM
My reply suggests a more traditional pedagogical approach:  That is what piece did Czerny recommend to his student Beethoven once he had played Haydn?

That would have been the Mozart C Minor, which is the piece Beethoven played for Mozart when he auditioned as a prospective student - good enough then, and, in my opinion, good enough now.

The other works are (with the exception of the Rach) major repertoire, which you will be most able to learn if you progress logically, in my ( and many others) opinion.

Offline themeandvariation

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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #2 on: June 13, 2015, 10:59:05 PM
@Louis…. surely, it was Czerny who was Beethoven's student….
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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #3 on: June 13, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
You are most certainly correct.  I mixed up my music history of Czerny introducing his young student (Franz Liszt) to the composer, his friend and former teacher.

However, you are no "keypeg."  You politely corrected me, and showed a certain level of respect.  I appreciate it.

However, in regards the thesis of the OP's post, it is important, in my opinion, to progress logically through the repertoire.  And, I only mean that until one gets certain major classical pieces 'under their fingers."

Offline keypeg

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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #4 on: June 13, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
However, you are no "keypeg."  You politely corrected me, and showed a certain level of respect.  I appreciate it.
Louis - I asked a single, one-sentence question, for information.  You read attitudes into that question that did not exist.  I have expressed my support for your ideas FOUR times now!

In the least, please stop attacking me in responding to other people, by painting a reputation that does not exist.  Please!

Please go back to the original thread -- read what I wrote - in order to sort this out.

Offline keypeg

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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #5 on: June 13, 2015, 11:56:23 PM
I did not even "correct" you.  I asked for information because I did not know.

Offline j_menz

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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #6 on: June 14, 2015, 12:44:55 AM
My reply suggests a more traditional pedagogical approach: 

Errors aside, it also eliminates the whole of the romantic and later concerti, which is a pretty major defect in your approach. Not so much "traditional" as positively luddite.

@OP - The Beethoven 1 or the Shostakovich 2 are probably the best next steps. I'd recommend the Shosty as a nice break from the classical.
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Offline louispodesta

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Re: Piano concerto ranking
Reply #7 on: June 14, 2015, 10:19:26 PM
An additional approach is one which I pretty much invented after I taught myself how to sight read in my 50's.  Once I could read well enough to stumble through the notes, which is not the OP's situation, I just decided to read through the entire concerto repertoire.  This for me was 47 works.

I would work on two a time, just reading through and exposing myself to the piece.  It took me, along with my other practice, the better part of five years.  However,  I now have a basic knowledge of all these works because I always write in the harmony above every major chord in any piece I learn.

Also, as a result of this experience, I have learned that there is significant technical proficiency that can be gained by practicing certain parts of works that are far beyond the ability of a given pianist at a given time.

The point, re: the OP is to not restrict yourself to any particular regimen, but to instead stretch you mind and (within reason) your body at the same time.  I guarantee you:  you will never get bored or consider the practicing of the piano to be drudgery.
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